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sand85
Posted 7/25/2021 12:45 (#9128629 - in reply to #9128351)
Subject: Technical claims vs logical process


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This is a fascinating study of human behavior.  

You think you are winning a technical debate by showing up and announcing you have a final conclusion/fact.  You keep referencing technical documents that no one here is going to look up regarding some components that might be in a given device.  You’ve made no effort yourself to show these documents.  

You dismiss bedrock electrical law as some vague relationship, somewhat unbelievably.


The openly stated discussion is about how to effectively convey technical knowledge and build a clear chain of reasoning and arrive at technical solutions to common problems, build on that to solve the next issue, and so on and so on to eventually reach a conclusion, solve a problem, and state a fact.  And to effectively convey that chain of reasoning to anyone - the layman, someone with basic technical understanding - anyone.  

You’ve been offered lead after lead after lead to build the next level of knowledge from a core scientific law, and even speculation on methods which might be used to achieve such solutions, and you finally kind of arrive just now above at something approaching a second step in building a chain of reasoning.  Which is good - it’s good to get some progress.  It does not yet prove your claim above about voltage.  But it’s a step in explaining how to get there.

You’ve just barely begun above to use technical reasoning to defend or explain your conclusion.  You are barely being prodded with the most basic of electrical law and you have finally extrapolated some limits and discussed, extremely generally, how industrial level design works around those limits.

You keep demanding numbers.  Which you use, I guess, in a production scenario.  Where I have given you numbers in at least two scenarios above, you have partially responded to one of the scenarios and ignored the other.

In a tutorial scenario specific numbers should be broadly unnecessary, unless to define the range of limits of testing a scenario.  One algebraically derives the next step from logic and fundamental electrical law, and as discussed above, discusses base scenarios, intermediate scenarios, advanced scenarios, and corner cases.  One thoroughly tests each variable through the total range of possible values to understand reasonable and absolute theoretical and physical limitations.  Which you not explained or attempted.  Yet this is how we all learn in engineering school.  We barely use a calculator until senior year.  Because it is rational.  Yet you continue to denigrate those who can pick apart your ineffective reasoning, flaunt your expertise and, ask for yet a third specific scenario and incorrectly claim I have not given you any specific numbers.

As mentioned above, your approach could use some improvement if your intent is to actually convey useful information.  Otherwise, your implied intention is pretty clear.



Edited by sand85 7/25/2021 12:46
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