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havin’funfarming
Posted 10/5/2021 11:44 (#9253990 - in reply to #9253705)
Subject: RE: Government laws/mandates


NE Ridger - 10/5/2021 08:10

havin’funfarming - 10/5/2021 07:22

Here is one of them

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262139v1


Ok, that one says that IF a breakthrough case becomes symptomatic, THEN viral shedding is comparable to non-vaccinated shedding.

It also says that non-symptomatic breakthrough cases have significantly lower levels of viral shedding.

It doesn't say anything about how long they were shedding, nor does it say anything about the likelihood of vaccinated individuals developing a symptomatic infection.

Plenty of other data indicates that vaccinated individuals are at much lower risk of developing symptomatic disease in the first place. Here's one from the UK, for the anti-CDC crowd. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.24.21257738v2

So, yes, unfortunately the vaccines against COVID are not sterilizing, or are only sterilizing for a few months. But they still reduce the risk of developing symptomatic disease. And non-symptomatic disease has significantly less shedding.



Yes, basically for people suffering the same symptoms, vaccinated or not, have the same viral loads and thus are just as dangerous tonne around. It stands to reason that the non symptomatic vaccinated and unvaccinated have similar viral loads as well.

It does not go into how long they are shedding but if either person has symptoms and is sick they will be isolating so the length of time they are shedding is actually a moot point. Unless one wants to argue thst isolation is not effective.

Like you said it also doesn’t get into the likelihood of vaccinated individuals developing a symptomatic infection. I suspect that vaccines likely help to reduce symptomatic infections, at least until the effectiveness wears off. So that is a positive effect of the vaccines as far as the individual is concerned. The downside to the public at large though is that if it does reduce symptomatic infections then logically it means that there will be more non-symptomatic vaccinated individuals out in the public. If they are carrying the same viral load as the unvaccinated non-symptomatic individual then each individual will be just as dangerous. Due to the higher number of non-symptomatic vaccinated that means that that category as a whole will be spreading and infecting more people than the unvaccinated. If we add on the fact that the vaccinated are being allowed more societal freedoms in some areas than the unvaccinated that makes that situation even worse.

Another aspect that we can’t talk about is perhaps a similar level of viral load reduction can be accomplished with unmentionable treatments. That is a whole other debate though.
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