Hope I wasn't bustin chops.    I agree on pamperd bulls. I raised 2 and bought 6 last year, one boughten bull is a stud but the rest look like poor steers some must go to the sale. The 2 I raised look good.  I kept 5 as bulls this year and 3 look real good now 2 will get denutted soon.

If there is a real good ranch with the kind of cattle you like close by maybe see if they would let nuts in a couple from good cows?