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se wi | http://www.infowars.com/federal-snipers-train-guns-on-family-for-fi...
more to the story? sees a bit extreme. |
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west central illinois | Ruby ridge and Waco were an extreme example also but the government slaughtered them anyway. |
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nc Ia. | I copied this and lost the link. The ranchers daughter made a long comment. Found it.
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25168654/i-team-feds-and-nevada-ranch...
BUNKERVILLE, Nev. -- Dozens of armed federal officers are preparing for a showdown with a Nevada cattle rancher regarded by some as an outlaw and a hero by others.
Rangers and agents from several federal agencies have surrounded a 600,000-acre section of public land and are preparing to move against rancher Cliven Bundy whose cattle have been grazing illegally for the past 20 years.
"This is the freedom we have in America right now. You got to have your freedom inside that fence there," Bundy said.
Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy thinks the federal government has overplayed its hand in preparing to round up his cattle.
Example, there are two fenced spots where the public will be allowed to protest the roundup. A sign inside the fence shows how some people feel about a First Amendment zone.
During the I-Team's tour with Bundy, a passer-by stopped to offer encouragement.
"I'm one of your neighbors. I get to look at that every day of my life. Hang in there my friend," his neighbor said.
"This has become a police state, and this is an example of it right here," Bundy said.
Miles away, just off the interstate, another fenced area is the where media are allowed. Armed agents in trucks form a wall to prevent anyone from approaching what resembles a military staging area, the heart of the Bundy roundup operation.
More rangers sit at every road leading into the 600,0000-acres Gold Butte area to prevent the general public from coming in.
"With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake," Bundy said.
Bundy has had a long time to sharpen his message. The fight has been building since 1993, when the Bureau of Land Management changed grazing rules for Gold Butte to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
Bundy refused to go along and stopped paying his fees. Since then, the BLM and federal courts have ordered him to stop letting his cattle roam throughout Gold Butte, and he has ignored the orders because he does not recognize federal authority over the land.
"My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed," Bundy said.
The Bundy family was already ranching here long before the Department of Interior was born, and long before tortoises were protected. But federal courts say he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. BLM has long sidestepped the fight in part because of concerns about what might happen, if it tried to round up his 500 or so cattle that even now are grazing on forbidden public lands.
Bundy says he has always been willing to pay fees but not if it helps to cut his own throat.
"I got no problem with that. I've tried to pay it to Nevada state, to Clark County. They have some of my money in their coffers right now but I'm not going to pay money for the wrong landlord, and I am not going to pay my money to BLM to manage me out of business," Bundy said, "The federal government has seized Nevada's sovereignty, Nevada's statehood. They have seized Nevada's laws and our public land. We have no access to our public land and that is only a little bit of it."
Critics say Bundy is being arrogant and that his cattle have caused irreparable harm to Gold Butte's fragile environment.
Environmentalists forced BLM's hand by threatening to sue in federal court. The bureau will pay nearly a $1 million to a private contractor to round up Bundy's cows, but with dozens of government agents positioned all around the area for what might take weeks or even months, the true cost could be much higher.
Bundy's cowhands have time to kill because they are prohibited from heading out to work their cattle. And soon enough, there could be no cattle left. The BLM plans to sell off Bundy's herd. Bundy stops short of saying how far he is willing to take it.
"I've fought this thing legally. I've fought it politically. I've fought it through the media. and I will fight it on the ground if I have to," Bundy said.
The I-Team has been asking to speak with Cliven Bundy for more than two years. He told the I-Team that while he agreed to speak to other media, he intended to save us until the end, and that could come soon.
The BLM won't say exactly when the roundup will begin but it could happen as soon as this weekend.
Edited by Land Rover 4/7/2014 23:32
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Holly Grove Arkansas | He's claiming ownership rights to land he does not own. Where is the controversy? |
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west central illinois | tim ar - 4/7/2014 21:59
He's claiming ownership rights to land he does not own. Where is the controversy? he does own the land. We all do. Now it has become an armed conflict with the government pulling guns on unarmed people. I suppose the way ruby ridge and the slaughter at Waco was ok with you also? The government doesn't own anything, let the residence decide who uses the land. Sounds like they are on his side. |
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waaaay east central Colorado | $1 million to round up 500 head of cattle? I know the north eastern part of Nevada quite intimately, and it's WAY tougher to gather cattle from than this area. Im gonna hafta hope that my cowboy buddies dont see this, or they're gonna get inflated egos ;) Just another example of government abuse and waste. Id wish Mr. Bundy luck, but it looks like this battle is already over :( |
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west central illinois | Here is a map of Nevada for blm managed land. Looks like its almost the entire state. So after this who will be next. Notice the grey spot at the southern end? I take that is most likely Area 51 military base?
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Wyoming | You don't understand how Nevada water law works. |
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Holly Grove Arkansas | So if I've farmed land all my life that I don't own and my landlord decides to do something different I should keep growing crops without permission or paying rent? Yea he owns a share of the land along with 314 million other people including those that filed the suit to keep him from grazing. Now if he wants to peaceable protest and start a campaign to overturn the ruling or lobby to change the law then sign me up. I might even donate to the cause because I think the endangered species act is abused through the courts. I have donated money and will continue to donate money to organizations that oppose similar implementation of the ESA. Be that as it may he has no "right" to graze cattle on land he does not own if the landowner doesn't want him. Whether that landowner is an individual or the federal government is irrelevant.
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Southeast Wyoming | There is a post in StockTalk which brought up Jerry Spence. Here is a link to audio of Jerry Spence's "From Freedom to Slavery". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gz1Mo8hcKk That is part 1, I hope all parts can be found there. It is a powerful message, on track to where we are in this nation. |
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New Mexico | the federal land block.
the feds are doing an illegal taking here.
also most of the west is "fence out" law.
if the feds don't want livestock on there...it's legally their job to fence their land out.
needless to say the federal govt does not follow much for rights of citizens or laws.
there is No law against a federal agent walking up to anyone and shooting / murdering em point blank in the usa.,
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Warburg, AB | If this Canuck may say so, ironic how a guy who's family has been there for 100+ Years is being booted out, yet that hobo living in the bush on your back 40 now has a claim on the title to your land. I'm willing to bet if they asked the tortoise might actually share the watering hole.
As for the other example where they ran the cattle to death... I would push for animal cruelty charges. Sure no need to push them like that.
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WC MN | Nellis AFB is in that area.
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Sumner County Kansas "The Wheat Capital" | Just one example of many. More on the way with the Lesser Prairie Chicken being added to the Endangered Species list and the EPA's new Water Quality regs that will oversee every mud puddle in the US. |
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west central illinois | Newguy - 4/8/2014 05:30
Nellis AFB is in that area.
thanks. |
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| Are you saying that if I have two non adjacent pastures and a water well on only one, it would ok for me to allow my cattle to pass through your intervening wheat field if you don't have it fenced? From about 1996 until 2011, I ran cattle on 60 acres of grass that did not belong to me and did not pay rent because the owners did not care to put a fence between us. In 2011, the land was sold and broken out to plant wheat. I then put up a fence. Do unto others.....
A Message to Friends of Cliven Bundy and the BLM
Posted on November 21, 2013 by Terri Robertson
Cliven Bundy and his family are kind and wonderful people. It is hard to understand that he truly does not believe that he is doing anything wrong. The fact that Mr. Bundy illegally grazes his cattle in Gold Butte is all a part of the culture that he believes in and perpetuates. Mr. Bundy does not consider the United States of America to have any jurisdiction over him. When he calls Gold Butte his ranch, he actually deems it so.
Mr. Bundy’s quote, ”Federal rangers have no jurisdiction or authority, no policing power or arresting power.”, is indicative of how he feels about federal laws and those that enforce them. It is how he feels about citizens that support BLM and enforcing laws that require Mr. Bundy to remove his cattle from Gold Butte.
Allotments in the Gold Butte region have been closed to grazing since 1994. Families with legal grazing rights in the Gold Butte area were compensated to relinquish those grazing rights. Mr. Bundy and others that believe in the “state’s rights” theory reject the federal laws that no longer allow grazing in Gold Butte. Not believing in a law does not give you permission to disobey the law.
Fifteen years is a long time to wait for the grazing laws affecting Gold Butte to be upheld. Gold Butte and the citizens who love and appreciate the area deserve better. Mr. Bundy has drawn a line around Gold Butte and has declared it his compound. He is ready to defend his compound and hopes it will not come to using force. My hope is that all the rational people will see Mr. Bundy for who he truly is. His irrational and unrealistic thought processes have been in charge for too long.
Please gently and kindly remove the illegal cattle from Gold Butte. Mr. Bundy is not able to follow the law and he will now have to pay for it.
http://letstalknevada.com/message-friends-cliven-bundy-blm/
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nc Ia. | This looks like the site the protesters have set up, they need a few thousand more to have an impact.
Sunday, April 6, 2014
YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING WHAT YOU CAN DO!
AND NOW ITS TIME!!!!!!
They have my cattle and now they have one of my boys. Range War begins tomorrow at Bundy ranch at 9:30 a.m. Bring your signs and horses ,and plan to stay as long as you can!
We are going to get the job done!
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Texas/New Mexico Stateline | Meanwhile with the other 97% of the population.....
Look, look! Oooooooohhhhhh, shiny object! Look over here Miley Cyrus!!! Missing airplane!!! Good Morning America, bubble gum sales WAY down! This is the REAL news! Look, look, shiny object! |
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west central illinois | milofarmer1 - 4/8/2014 10:01
Meanwhile with the other 97% of the population.....
Look, look! Oooooooohhhhhh, shiny object! Look over here Miley Cyrus!!! Missing airplane!!! Good Morning America, bubble gum sales WAY down! This is the REAL news! Look, look, shiny object! im betting it will make news when the first person is shot. Then it will be all about crazy bundy and gun fanatics! |
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se wi | no comments on "first amendment zone" that seems most alarming to me. |
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Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot | I think there are some large differences between this case, and the Wayne Hage case. Hage was clearly in the right. I'm not sure Mr. Bundy is, without knowing more information. The water ownership is key, but I've not read where he owns the water on said range.
Personally, I feel the way the BLM and FS leases are set up is going to change a lot in the future. I understand why they are the way they are. And I wholeheartedly, 100% support full grazing of public lands. Grazing leases should be part of the property of a ranch that has historically grazed an allotment. I feel it is legally their property. But their needs to be a way more people have the opportunity to graze on public lands as well. Allotments shouldn't be taken from existing ranches, but yet unused allotments or those in rotation should be auctioned or something, similar to the way the state of Oregon leases grazing land out on a 5 year lease you can bid on.
Grazing is one of the only ways we can cost effectively manage some of the public lands out west. Sooner the BLM and FS realize that, and use them instead of 'saving' them, the better the lands and the ranching industry will be. |
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Nwmo | I thought the grazing rights did come with the ranch? |
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Anybody from Nevada, is this for real?
