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Kickapoogian
Posted 12/3/2014 09:28 (#4216892 - in reply to #4216016)
Subject: RE: started grazing corn



Soldiers Grove Wi. 54655
yongfarmer89 - 12/2/2014 20:50

Kickapoogian - 12/2/2014 06:14

I might do this with dry cows or bred heifers and steers but never with lactating cows..(or cows that are due in a few short weeks)
I'd have to ask why you would want to pull them away from the bunk or your fine tuned ration if you have it dialed in? Now days if you're milking cows one needs to have a ration fine tuned for all the profit you can get. Actually, much of the time it needs to be fine tuned so you're not loosing as much when prices are lower for milk..
If you have a cow milking 80-100+ lbs. a day they're likely to drop production big time. If you have any milking 120-140#/day it would be a huge mistake.. Some of these cows could drop 40% or more in milk per day and will take a long time to bounce back to their previous level of production if they ever do as it's likely they'll go for the ears and over eat on corn throwing your ration way off...(possibly to the point of bloating or very loose manure because of eating to much).. If they do over eat and get loose bowls they'll take off body weight and condition also.. Also after they fill up on the corn the stalks and leaves are not going to hold much protein or energy (but they'll already be overloaded with energy from the ears of corn they search out).. All in all I guess it depends on how much milk you want out of your cows and the economics of getting that milk.. It's just my opinion and others who may have milked cows in the past or present might or might not agree with me but sometimes what you think is "the same as free eats" for the milking cows will cost you big time in not only the short term but the long term in the cow's lactation as well since once you loose that peak at a cows production most times it won't come back and if it does it won't last for nearly as long..
Good luck~..


Lol I take it from your post you do not grazing your milking herd and you worry a lot about milk production.

I really want to use this corn field as a abuse area and after a few days here I'll put a bale feeder up there and feed my balage there too. I am not worried about the cows getting too many ears because I am limit feeding the corn but using a lead wire to feed a desired amount each day (3-5 lbs of DM). I'm also in the worse part of the year for product, because I am primarily a spring herd. I am just trying it because that's how things worked out.


Actually my young friend the "lol" is on you when it comes to saying I don't worry about milk production....

I had to quit milking cows because of physical injuries and chronic pain in 1995 from an accident I had in 1989(lightning strike) but continued to own milk cows until about 2002....
I graduated high school in 1978 and had started purchasing Reg. Holsteins before that.. In 1991 I had a partial dispersal in which the top cow sold for $36,000, 2 bulls and a hiefer out of her sold for $48K as a package. The rest of the cows sold from $1800 to $6500 at the time. I also had one of the highest RHAs in our county... To top that off I had the first cow in WI to score EX95 and make over 40,000 milk in lactation.. ..(she didn't do that by walking through corn stalks) She peaked at 180#s /day which 25 years ago was very rare.. I did some rotational grazing to a point but would also keep the ration as steady as possible.. At the same time I sold well over 25 bulls to AI studs and embryos around the world... Since then the cow family has hundreds of bulls that have gone into AI programs around the world.. I sold interest in a daughter out of this cow to my best friend when it was getting to be where I couldn't work the cattle like I wanted and we sold a grandaughter out of her in Sept. 1999 that won the "Yearling in Milk" class and the World Dairy Expo a month later in Madison.. Her ET heifer calf sold at that sale for $6500 and later sold for well over $30K...

Now back to you're ideology of not being concerned about how much my cows milked.. While only milking 50 cows any typical month I would have 5 to 7 of them milking over 100#s a day...(not on grazing corn stalks)... I milked at 5:30 in the morning and 5 in the afternoon.. I didn't have a TMR but I split my feeding of grain and protein into 4 different times.. 1/4 when I got them up in the morning, 4# of corn to get them back in the barn when it started getting hot outside, 1/4 at noon, 1/4 at the last milking and the last 1/4 at midnight. The more you keep a cow getting up and down chewing their cud the more they will eat and their rumen won't shut down.. Corn silage for one feeding, maybe 5 # of dry hay during the day after they came in from the heat, haylage at the late milking and again 5-7# of good alfalfa to get them through the night.. Also every time I went in the barn the hay was swept in and spread around so all cows had some to chew on.. Once in awhile when a cow got out and ate to much of something they shouldn't have or got dysentery and the weight loss that came with one could figure their peak production might be over at 60 days instead of 90 and she would be easier to dry off 60 days prior to calving.. One other thing that helped was to have the cows on 90% of full feed before they calved which if a person didn't know how to do it could turn out to be a disaster.. Balance of minerals was the most important to help avoid "milk fever" as well as feeding hay that had a higher fiber content to help avoid twisted stomachs... Body score was another very important issue.. All in all after thinking about it I might turn youngstock into a corn field like you did but not dry cows unless they were at least 40 days out... (and I'd have second thoughts about that).. Usually when I was testing my daily average was well over 60-65# per head/day/// When drying them off they'd still be milking at least 40#s and the majority of them had to have the feed as well as some water taken away from them for a few days.. Sorry if I seemed to come down a little hard on you but if your in dairy to try and make a serious living one needs to figure just how much "free stuff" is really free... Or if there would be a better alternative for these stalks and your youngstock instead of the cows making you money.. It's the one thing I miss the most in life on the farm and if I could I would buy a herd and start milking tomorrow but I know I can't and have accepted this. You have the greatest life in the world and I hope you can continue to milk cows as it sounds like you have a relatively small herd like I did in which you know each cow's characteristics, attitudes and quirks.. It's like having another family in a way is how I felt when milking cows..
Again, my best....

Edited by Kickapoogian 12/3/2014 09:33
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