I think alot of the problem is a big section of the northern corn belt has had nearly ideal crop conditions for so many years than when anything starts to go wrong they think it's the end of the world.  I can't ever remember a time when there were concerns about northern Illinois crop conditions that ended up amounting to anything once the combines roll, was it back in '07 or '08 that there were big concerns about their crop conditions and they turned out to have a record crop.