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Faunsdale, AL | Neither one of you are making any points that I can see.
I think Fun wants to say I don’t value the life of a pregnancy. I do recognize that value, especially to the mother.
I also recognize that there is a “normal” “natural” or background loss of pregnancies that are generally termed miscarriages. Trying to determine the cause of one of those miscarriages turns into a detective hunt usually without any clear answer at the end. A person may have a cause in mind because of some association in time or place, but those remain just ideas until they can be proven.
However if you get enough data on miscarriages and monitor that data over time it will allow you to see changes and make inferences about what might have caused those changes. That’s what has been done to evaluate the effect of vaccination on pregnancy loss. There just hasn’t been a signal that anything is different from the normal or rather expected rate of miscarriages.
Take a side effect of vaccination like a sore arm. It’s easy to say it’s caused by the vaccination I received in that arm yesterday. It wasn’t there before, it appeared after I got the shot, and I don’t often have a sore arm there, so I’m pretty sure it’s because of the vaccination. It’s not really necessary but if we collect everybody else’s experiences with the vaccine and in a blinded trial, those of the people that got a placebo saline injection, it’s possible to say how commonly sore arms would be expected as a result of vaccination.
Take an event like a blood clot in the large blood vessels in the brain. This is a very rare thing, so when you see more than one, it’s more likely to be able to demonstrate an association with vaccination. In fact that was possible at the rate of less than 10 per million. There’s almost no background “noise“ to obscure the signal.
Looking at miscarriages is a whole different thing. Miscarriages are fairly common, I think I’ve seen figures of 10-15% of all pregnancies. So if a woman rides a horse while pregnant and suffers a miscarriage, did that really have anything to do with it? She may decide not to ride horses next time she is pregnant but it’s hard to prove cause and effect. And since not many women ride horses these days, it may be impossible to collect enough data to say if there’s any increased risk of miscarriage from riding horses.
Contrast that with vaccination with COVID vaccines. Thousands and thousands of women have both been pregnant and gotten vaccinated in the last 9 months or so. There is also a robust monitoring and data collection system in place to look for side effects. So it becomes a straightforward process of comparing “signal” to background.
I think Fun wants to minimize the importance of old people dying of COVID. Maybe I’m wrong.
I’ve never understood why someone would say that even a terminally ill patient who gets COVID and dies didn’t really die “from” COVID. Sure they were dying soon anyway, but sure as the day is long, someone like that doesn’t maintain their present state of health when they get COVID. It’s the thing that finishes them off, so it correctly should be included on their death certificate.
Do we ignore those deaths and say no, they only died “with” COVID? What if they got a non political disease like flu? Their death would certainly be attributed to flu and other contributing factors and nobody would see some political motive in that. | |
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