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Douglas
Posted 9/16/2021 08:31 (#9222953 - in reply to #9221952)
Subject: RE: COOL?


Central North Carolina

dabeegmon - 9/15/2021 18:15
Douglas - 9/15/2021 15:38

Trade is good as long as it is fair. Nafta 2.0 attempts to do that. A surplus or deficit is not necessarily bad or good. We have a deficit with a lot of countries that trade reasonably fair because we have the $ and they don't. It is not about surpluses or not. Never has been. Trump defined it that way but i don't and most experts don't either. In the case of China it is both unfair and lopsided.

If we need potash from Canada it is ok to have trade deficit in that commodity, or uranium or lumber. It is ok when Canada buys stuff from us they need, have similar labor and environmental laws etc to keep the production side fair.  Mexico less so but that is what Nafta negotiations tried to hammer out in a process to improve it. The alternative is often not that we make it, it is that we just import from elsewhere like Asia. For me we are more likely to help ourselves trading closer to home if at all possible. Illegal immigration from Mexico is way down and central american is the problem now.

Nafta rules, according the the WTO - the referee on trade, prohibits COOL- it is that simple. The industry could do it voluntarily if they wanted but they don't. Folks need to come to grips with that. Remember the definition of insanity and the serenity prayer. 

Can I help you with a current definition of 'fair trade'? Wanted to order specific size of centrifugal fan - - - - thought I would get 2. (Total weight of under 8#.) Price was somewhat under $60 usd each - - - - not bad for costs. Company ONLY uses UPS for shipping - - - - shipping costs for 2 is over $66.00 usd. (Michigan to just north of the border.) Needless to say - - - I didn't order them. This is not really an isolated example - - - just one from in the last week. Makes shopping in China make a LOT more sense. Its like I'm being driven to do that - - - - imo there really is no trade deal anymore - - - - that concept died when they signed nafta2.0.


I have never heard of a trade deal that can make a specific private company change their shipping policy or any internal policy.  Trade deals are only about governmental restrictions like tariffs, quotas, etc. where gov is involved. Here we often complain about Canada giving away timber asset to companies where timber here is bought from private owners creating a cost difference that can be quantified. Only the involvement of the Canadian gov. in this make it a trade issue. If private interest in Canada sold timber cheap we could not question it. The example you are describing is simply the market working like it is supposed to, you go where you get the best overall price and the US company lost business because of their business decision. 

Is NATA working for everyone, of course not. That is usually caused by bad negotiations. That's why deals need to be renegotiated from time to time. The size of our market probably give us leverage in these negotiations. That is just the way it is and i don't apologize for that. 



Edited by Douglas 9/16/2021 08:32
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