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NW Central Iowa (Fort Dodge) | I used a couple fields of Extend herbicide program ( I use Engenia which I do think does drift less than extendimax). Everyone else uses Liberty or enlist this year. I also use liberty if the field has beans on the borders I spray everything myself and use all the correct mixes need to responsibly use the system. Several of my fields border E3/GT27LL beans. I use a buffer, watch the wind, and time of day and havnt had any issues. All the problems you hear are people not following the label is my guess.....
EDIT for spelling
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Callao Missouri | Well don't you feel special today. I for one am tired of somebody else's dicamba causing me damage and up to me to prove the loss. Just keep it on your side of the fence and we are good. Problem is you cant control what happens with it 12-36 hrs after application. |
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NW Central Iowa (Fort Dodge) | You can if you follow the label and watch the weather. Its really not that hard. Well this year it was because it was windy about every day. Just a couple good days to spray. But I was willing to wait so I don't damage neighbors crops. I have no problem keeping it on my side of fence, but sounds like I might not even had the option to do that in years to come.
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So. Illinois | Just now tired of it? Hmmmm....been going on for quite some time now |
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NW Central Iowa (Fort Dodge) | I know I just never said anything. Most post on here where always negative. |
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NC South Dakota | Unfortunately many users are spraying it like Roundup. Gotta get it done.....
Thank you for doing the right thing. |
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| This is the 4th year we've went with the Extend beans and Engenia. Spray according to guidelines, No issues. |
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Central IA | Give it a few weeks. Also, learn what volatility is. |
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| Unless you are the first person that can predict the exact weather 2 weeks out you're not safe |
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NE IL | Make sure you wait 21 days after app before you get too cocky. I hope you don’t have problems, but I have been completely on label and still puckered neighbors beans. It didn’t break my heart at all to not spray it post this year. |
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SE IA | magnumman - 6/29/2020 19:22
You can if you follow the label and watch the weather. Its really not that hard. Well this year it was because it was windy about every day. Just a couple good days to spray. But I was willing to wait so I don't damage neighbors crops. I have no problem keeping it on my side of fence, but sounds like I might not even had the option to do that in years to come.
Im glad you havent had issues. But once you have applied it correctly with a favorable wind all day (blowing away from non DT beans) and then they still get nailed when the wind the following day went into the unfavorable direction....you will rethink using it. And its a horrible feeling knowing that what you did, still had an ill effect on your neighbor.
Its a flawed product with nearly impossible label to follow. |
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West Central Iowa | Almost every field in this area that's not Extend gets damaged, physical drift doesn't hit every plant in the field, volatilization does. I've heard it said that there is only about 2 days per spray season that actually fit all the criteria to be "on label" , so yeah maybe if you could actually make it work to stay on label, it wouldn't cause damage.
Personally I hope they ban dicamba on soybeans, so I could use Liberty or E3's and have something I could spray on the 2nd pass, not just the first. The way it is now everyone still has to burn their Extend beans, because it's after the 45 day window, what an absolute joke!!! |
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NE KS | They should outlaw it in the problem areas, not every where. I've yet a hear of a problem and 90% or more of the beans here are dicamba. |
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| So keep spraying dicamba on your beans then. Why do you care what people are concerned about or think? If dicamba never drifts how would anyone know or care what you are spraying? I think you should buy up a bunch before they completely outlaw it so you have enough for the next few years. |
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Rushville, IN | Last year neighbor left buffer like you're supposed to, even if not on a label just to be nice. 15 days after he sprayed it got up and walked across his buffer and the road into our beans. It's not drift at time of spraying, it's the temperature inversion later that gets other beans. Dicamba has been around a long time. This is nothing new, just people aren't courteous enough anymore to spray before neighbors beans are before the reproductive stages.
Neighbor came and talked to us to make everything right. No hard feelings as long as people are neighborly |
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Western illinois | I’m seeing E3 and Liberty both puckered up this year. Not as bad as in the past, but still very evident. I don’t think all that much dicamba got sprayed here this year. It was windy and hot and corn was still being sprayed. Many people used a second round of residual instead. I’ve decided that beans don’t like to be sprayed, period. |
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southern MN | At some point it just doesn’t matter who is doing thing ps right and who is doing them wrong.
When there are clearly so many problems from one product, it needs to be changed. The cupped beans all over is ridiculous.
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SW MN | I choose to plant liberty because the chem works for us and I don't want to put my neighbors in a bad position by dinging their crop. Unfortunately a couple of them planted extend this year and it is a complete mess. We've discussed and they "claim" everything was on label just as you. We'll let the state come out and document and pull all records so at least it's on the books. I call bs that you you haven't damaged any beans. If it's been a couple weeks go out and snap pics of the fence lines on neighboring fields that aren't extend and let's see what they look like. My guess is they just haven't contacted you yet |
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NW KS | Not all climates and conditions in the United States match yours. |
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NW Central Iowa (Fort Dodge) | You really think that it can move up to 2 weeks after being sprayed?? I could see maybe 2 days but 2 weeks seems crazy.
I am being serious so please don't flame me to hard. |
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ND | magnumman - 6/29/2020 20:22 You can if you follow the label and watch the weather. Its really not that hard. Well this year it was because it was windy about every day. Just a couple good days to spray. But I was willing to wait so I don't damage neighbors crops. I have no problem keeping it on my side of fence, but sounds like I might not even had the option to do that in years to come.
The dicamba does move, days after you apply everything according to the label.. I suppose you should know that.
I have experience both ways. Don't come on here with a superior attitude of smartness. That does not work, and I hope the label is pulled
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Nw iowa | Here you go top my beans bottom neighbors. Ours were sprayed about a two weeks ago.
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IA | How many nodes are effected there? If i remember correctly beans put out a new leaf about every 3 days and only new growth will be effected so you can kind of back figure when they would have been hit |
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ECIL | All you guys that apply it without issues consider yourselves lucky. Watching the weather and following the label to a T do not guarantee no problems. I know of a couple guys around us who are convinced they apply it without issues either... one of which I was recently in his driveway and he comments on the nebighor across the road having cupped beans - tells me it's from the butyrac he sprayed with his non GMO spray mix. Butyrac doesn't cup beans. He screwed up his neighbors beans but honestly doesn't know any better. A lot of uneducated farmers out there.... some of you guys having "no problems applying dicamba" might fall into that category.
Dicamba is a horrible post application product given the fact that non DT soybeans are so sensitive to it. I have enlist and Non GMO this year. So far no issues with the 1k acres of enlist I have sprayed. Looking like a very good option!
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NE IL | I don’t think the movement takes place that long after application but symptoms on the affected beans may not show up in the new trifoliates until 3 weeks later. |
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NC Iowa | I would say it can move until a good rain washes it into the soil. I've been damaged a few times. Never much of a yield lose. Last year it moved over a half mile into my field. I could see cupid leaves for awhile. We watched them all year and they seem to pull out of it just fine.
I have seen a field of extenz damage every soybean field in every direction of it(west, north, south east, and east). That is no exaggeration. It was the first year Extenz were out. So the next year a lot of farmers in my area bought Extenz beans just to avoid the hassle of dealing with the neighbor's drift(or what ever you call it). That is why I choose to not spray it. I bought Enlist beans this year. The Enlist can drift but it should vaporize after application. |
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Frytown, Iowa | ajj0034 - 6/29/2020 21:54
Here you go top my beans bottom neighbors. Ours were sprayed about a two weeks ago.
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NE IL | Can you spray Enlist with a 10 mph wind blowing toward a non Enlist field and not have problems? |
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SE IL | Most likely yes, might hurt a row or 2. |
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Northern Illinois | magnumman - 6/29/2020 20:12
All the problems you hear are people not following the label is my guess.....
EDIT for spelling
so you are tired of people bitching but acknowledge that there are problems. Interesting. |
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SE IL | When it comes to crops enlist is like spraying corn chem, direct hit will kill them, drift wont show up unless its bad. Some types if flowers and garden stuff are more sensitive to it but we havent had issues yet.
So personally I try to never spray with a 10mph wind blowing directly at a susceptible crop, but some do. Bottom line is Enlist isnt going to go across the whole field like dicamba does. Beans are something like 4x more sensitive to dicamba than 24d.
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Northeast KS, Undercover(crops) | You may want to ask around a little more... |
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Fontanelle, IA | Those beans look like 3-4 trifoliates were affected? |
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Southern Illinois | IN MY PART OF SOUTHERN ILLINOIS YOU CAN DO EVERY THING RIGHT AT SPRAY TIME BUT 2 WEEKS LATER IT CAN COME ALIVE AND DRIFT . EVEN A 1/2 MILE. I HAVE SEEN IT. DONT KNOW MUST BE MOISTURE, HUMIDITY, HEAT, INVERSION ALL COMING TOGETHER. THIS CANOT BE CONTROLLED BY THE SPRAY DRIVER. AND CAN DO MAJOR DAMAGE. I DONT THINK THE DRIFT AT SPRAY DAY IS THE PROBLEM MOST TIMES. |
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| I have heard the soybean plant is 23 times more sensitive to any Dicamba product than 2-4D. That is why there are so many complaints..... doesn't take much to show some damage because of the very high sensitivity to the product. I think the tomato plant was another one that showed a huge sensitivity difference between Dicamba and 2-4D products. |
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NE SD | That's why you have no problems. It is a flawed system. |
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NE SD | Or I have also seen a big rain come and flowing water goes downhill from a dicamba applied field upstream. Downstream nondicamba beans are toast. I really hope its gets banned at least in certain parts of country permanently. |
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sw corner ia. | dicamba sprayed late enough on corn in all the heat we have had lately will get you a ton of damage. not sure it isn't worse than the chems labeled for beans. |
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America. | I'm sick of my liberty and enlist beans getting cupped year after year and now its getting blamed on group 15 herbicides. That's horse crap when I have cupped fields I haven't sprayed. Dicamba post application on beans needs to be banned. It is not controllable, |
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| There is way more group 15 and Callisto damage around than dicamba and dicamba gets the blame |
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Remsen, IA | I really don't care what the reason is, human error, the stars out of alignment or the fact that the product will volatilize and move several days after application. People can spray whatever they want, just keep it in their own field. I've had my first couple rows dinged or even killed by other products and that doesn't bother me. Extend hits whole fields and that is not acceptable. In your own post you admit the product drifts, one just drifts a little less than another. |
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southern nebraska | Most of the problems are what is sprayed on the corn. Funny how people bitch about dicamba beans but spray diflex or status on their own corn. Lots of beans cupped before any bean spraying even started. |
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Tired of all the B*&ching about dicamba beans.
