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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 14:36 (#6668892)
Subject: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska

The following list is something I am putting together for a startup to farm 1000 acres of owned land. I am trying to do this with financing, so trying to keep things are barebones as I can, using older and smaller equipment.
Please take a look at the following equipment roster and make any criticisms or suggestions you can, thank you!

1991 JD 4955 Tractor200HP$34,000
1991 JD 4955 Tractor200HP $34,000
2003 JD 9650STS Combine $50,000
2007 JD 893 8 Row Corn Head30" rows  $21,000
2010 JD 635F Platform Head35'$16,000
1989 Peterbilt 379 $20,000
Hopper Trailer X 2 $14,000
Gravity Wagons X 2 $20,000
Schaben 8500 Pull Sprayer90' Boom, 1250 Gal. $15,000
1998 JD 1780 Planter31 Row, 15in, 3bu Boxes $22,000
GROUND IMPLEMENTS BELOW $28,000
Ripper ^^
Chisel ^^
C Shank ^^
Danish Hine ^^
Disc ^^
Ditcher 

^^

Mower ^^


Edited by rabbiccu 3/27/2018 15:22
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1973
Posted 3/27/2018 14:43 (#6668899 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


SW. IOWA		Hopper trailer x2? Gravity wagon x2? 4955x2????????
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Tomcat
Posted 3/27/2018 14:49 (#6668909 - in reply to #6668899)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Ludington/Manistee MI area
1973 - 3/27/2018 15:43

Hopper trailer x2? Gravity wagon x2? 4955x2????????


My thoughts exactly!! I don’t see the value in spending that on wagons. Buy one hopper and a cart. Maybe a couple cheap small wagons for seed and so forth. Not sure why two 4955s also get one and a articulated. Heck someone posted a link to a 8300t for what you budgeted for a 4955.
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 16:04 (#6669027 - in reply to #6668899)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
1973 - 3/27/2018 14:43

Hopper trailer x2? Gravity wagon x2? 4955x2????????


Wanted lots of field capacity to keep the combine cutting as much as possible with limited help.
I like the idea of having two of the same tractors so I can swap parts, and generally get to know that model extremely well.
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pete37921x
Posted 3/27/2018 17:14 (#6669120 - in reply to #6669027)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


NE SD

Why two hoppers and NOT two trucks? 

One hopper and one cart gets u more convenient and useful capacity

Wagons are stupid waste of resources and time to handle them if you have a truck 

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andyn269
Posted 3/27/2018 14:55 (#6668920 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Lawton, MI		One hopper no wagons and a nice 1000+bushel grain cart. Save a lot of drop and hooking
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ndfarmr
Posted 3/27/2018 14:59 (#6668926 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


EC ND		How many people are available spring/fall? Distance to elevators? What equipment do you currently have access to/own? What kind of hours are on the combine and tractors? Any on farm storage? Going off dealer prices or auctions? Double cropping winter wheat and beans? Approximately how many acres of each crop?

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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 15:39 (#6668988 - in reply to #6668926)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
ndfarmr - 3/27/2018 14:59

How many people are available spring/fall? Distance to elevators? What equipment do you currently have access to/own? What kind of hours are on the combine and tractors? Any on farm storage? Going off dealer prices or auctions? Double cropping winter wheat and beans? Approximately how many acres of each crop?


Not many. The elevators are very close. 10 miles.
Currently have no equipment.
These are auction prices to get a sense of value, so the hours will vary.
No on farm storage. There is some storage available for rent around for the going rate, however; some 15 miles away that I could get a great deal on. Building the storage I would need is expensive.
Auction prices.
Yes, winter wheat > beans
My goal is; 1/3 wheat>beans, 1/3 beans, 1/3 corn... the acres are closer to 1200 so it'd be 400 acres of each.

Thanks

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DEfarms
Posted 3/27/2018 21:53 (#6669817 - in reply to #6668988)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Central ks
rabbiccu - 3/27/2018 15:39

ndfarmr - 3/27/2018 14:59

How many people are available spring/fall? Distance to elevators? What equipment do you currently have access to/own? What kind of hours are on the combine and tractors? Any on farm storage? Going off dealer prices or auctions? Double cropping winter wheat and beans? Approximately how many acres of each crop?


Not many. The elevators are very close. 10 miles.
Currently have no equipment.
These are auction prices to get a sense of value, so the hours will vary.
No on farm storage. There is some storage available for rent around for the going rate, however; some 15 miles away that I could get a great deal on. Building the storage I would need is expensive.
Auction prices.
Yes, winter wheat > beans
My goal is; 1/3 wheat>beans, 1/3 beans, 1/3 corn... the acres are closer to 1200 so it'd be 400 acres of each.

Thanks




Am I reading this wrong? With only 400 acres of each crop why not have

4440s or 50 series
7200 or 7300 planter
8200-8350 drill or a jd 455
60 ft sprayer also just a suggestion but need to consider a tender of some kind.
Some kind of cheap tillage equip disc, chisel, field cult
Ih, gleaner, older deere combine 7720-8820
Maybe an older freightliner and rent a grain trailer when needed
Some kind of grain cart 600-650bu

Now my wife and I have also done the impossible over the last 4 years by starting from scratch it's been hard with prices and tuff conditions but we are slowly gaining thanks to our landlords and a lot of people in the community that have helped us by giving us a chance and some guidance along the way. We farm a few more acres than this now with less then 200k in equipment its ugly and everyone laughs but it's kinda hard to make it starting out. You'll be at a great advantage over me because of the ground. Now I don't care how old you are but remember your never to old for advice. Im only 33 and wish you luck






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mike in sw mn
Posted 3/27/2018 15:00 (#6668928 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Walnut Grove MN USA		Why two tractors? One of those is sufficient. Pick semi’s or wagons, no need for both. 12 row planter is enough for 1000 acres, forget the 15 inch for now, remember parts cost money too and a 15 inch is twice the parts to pay for. I personally would skip the tillage equipment and no till, at least the beans, maybe striptill the corn. Didn’t see the wheat at first, so a drill is needed. Depending on acres of each crop, say a corn, bean, wheat rotation then an 8row planter for corn 20 foot notill drill for beans/wheat would be perfect.
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ihmanky
Posted 3/27/2018 15:18 (#6668954 - in reply to #6668928)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



KY		However.. could save the drill money on going to a 15” planter and using it for wheat too. Lots of wheat going in here with 15” planters.
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Tomcat
Posted 3/27/2018 19:12 (#6669340 - in reply to #6668954)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Ludington/Manistee MI area
ihmanky - 3/27/2018 16:18

However.. could save the drill money on going to a 15” planter and using it for wheat too. Lots of wheat going in here with 15” planters.


Do you plant 60 inch corn rows? Why plant wheat in rows twice as far apart as they should be? Studies show 7.5 might be to wide.
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ihmanky
Posted 3/27/2018 19:31 (#6669393 - in reply to #6669340)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



KY

No Tom.. I don't... But I also don't plant corn on 20 or 22" either.. because the cost of machinery to do so vs. the return doesn't pencil for me here.  I wasn't saying he had to do it, I was just saying that a lot of folks "here" are doing to not have another piece of machinery around to maintain, not to mention a drill is often a crappy substitute for a planter when it comes to soybeans.. so why are you not harping on those who say just to get a drill for wheat and beans, how's my mention any worse?  I can show you 5,000 acres of wheat within a 10 mile radius of me that was put in with kinze and deere machines last fall, doesn't mean that's the way to do it, or not... but probably as good or better than me broadcasting and rolling it in with a cultipacker every other year.  Maybe those guys around me are fools, I don't know.  You can be the judge. 

Edit to add:  Not trying to be a mule in the above comments, just saying not one thing works for everyone.  OP stated that he was financing the works, I thought maybe limiting the planting equipment to one piece that is capable to do corn/soys/wheat might be cheaper replacing wear parts on the extra rows than purchase and upkeep of a dedicated machine for wheat that will be subpar for beans and useless for corn.  More than one way to skin a cat and all that. 



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Tomcat
Posted 3/28/2018 09:15 (#6670440 - in reply to #6669393)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Ludington/Manistee MI area		ihmanky,

It doesn’t look like this young man is at all concerned with keeping his equipment dollars in control. Betting he is more concerned with being cool. If dollars matter he would have a pair of 7080 Allis’s. He could easily tweak his budget to fit in a drill. You are a 100% right more than one way to skin a cat.

Sounds like a young fella it will be interesting to see how he does with a taste of the real world. I could go further but I won’t.
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Cfarms8400
Posted 3/28/2018 12:31 (#6670787 - in reply to #6670440)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nw Indiana		You know maybe this young man if that's what he is is thinking about equipment that will keep him going and not having to worry about a lot of downtime. When I started out farming a number of years ago I started out with older stuff and I can't tell you how many times the planner for the combine was broke down on a sunny beautiful day when I should have been out working in the field. And his post also said that it was on the planned so maybe financials are not an issue for him? My equipment that I run today on 800 acres is nothing new but most of my stuff is 20 + years old we have some older stuff that we still run but I upgraded a lot of it because of the fact of wanting to keep things going and getting Dependable equipment when it's busy. I realized anything can break down new or used but still I would rather have a newer piece of equipment that I would have more confidence in the running older stuff. Just my two cents worth but again money talks
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ihmanky
Posted 3/28/2018 15:51 (#6671108 - in reply to #6670440)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



KY		You’ve got a good point.. could be at the same horsepower at 1/3 cost with air and powershift. I just now saw that huge planter too.. I have a neighbor who plants 1,000 in mostly sub-80 acre fields and does it all with a jd 7000 6 row still, pulled by a open station deere from the late 70’s, and is often the first one done planting around here in his same acre range. Also pays cash for bins and newer equipment. Is what it is!
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blackfarmer2
Posted 3/29/2018 12:41 (#6673191 - in reply to #6671108)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


ihmanky - 3/28/2018 16:51

You’ve got a good point.. could be at the same horsepower at 1/3 cost with air and powershift. I just now saw that huge planter too.. I have a neighbor who plants 1,000 in mostly sub-80 acre fields and does it all with a jd 7000 6 row still, pulled by a open station deere from the late 70’s, and is often the first one done planting around here in his same acre range. Also pays cash for bins and newer equipment. Is what it is!
Is he an older guy or what. True story. How does he get so much done.
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ihmanky
Posted 3/30/2018 22:25 (#6676406 - in reply to #6673191)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



KY		He’s 90. Looks 75 and works like he’s 60. His grandson is the main man now, but even at that, grandpa rides the open tractor from just after daylight until 4 or 5 while grandson works ahead with the finisher, and then the grandson puts in another 5 to 7 hours on the planter after that, and they go back at it the next day. Grandson wants to go to a 12 row, but pops says he’s not running a 12 and a cab machine with a fancy monitor, so they stay as is for now. Funny thing is, he climbs himself up into a 6088 combine in the fall and operates that thing like a pianist on a grand piano, can show you anything on those screens you care to know about!
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paul the original
Posted 3/27/2018 15:31 (#6668977 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


southern MN		Harvest can be a labor crunch, you could hire that out for a year or two to get your feet wet and into the flow of things? Maybe the semi and haul your own grain as custom combining is done, to start with.

Your selection and costs of harvest seem a little different than would be done here, but depends on labor available and yields I suppose. Here one semi and one grain cart would be more likely, a couple much cheaper gravity wagons used for odds and ends stuff. Can trade up to bigger better wagons or a second semi if you need to in a few years.

I see a lot of $4,500 sprayers on auctions around me that will cover 1000 acres pretty easy.

It is more common here to have a heavy tractor and a lighter tractor for field work and for planting/spraying. But probably wouldn't change the price to get two dependable quality tractors to handle 1000 acres so doesn't change anything, just be a different mix of tractors here.

Paul
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Oldiskool
Posted 3/27/2018 15:33 (#6668980 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Cokato, Mn		How can you harp on this guy for only having 2 tractors total? I bet there are very few of farmers who have one tractor for everything. Not to mention unhooking/hooking. The 4955s are 20 years old. Anything can go wrong...whos to not have a backup? What if tillage is being done right ahead of the planter? I'm impressed he can do with that little amount of equipment personally.
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paul the original
Posted 3/27/2018 15:37 (#6668986 - in reply to #6668980)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


southern MN
Oldiskool - 3/27/2018 14:33

How can you harp on this guy for only having 2 tractors total? I bet there are very few of farmers who have one tractor for everything. Not to mention unhooking/hooking. The 4955s are 20 years old. Anything can go wrong...whos to not have a backup? What if tillage is being done right ahead of the planter? I'm impressed he can do with that little amount of equipment personally.


That is the good part of his plan, 2 older less spendy tractors that interchange if one goes down, i agree.

Paul
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82farmer
Posted 3/27/2018 15:58 (#6669017 - in reply to #6668986)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


NE Nebraska		Definitely agree with two tractors, till or not, one will need to be on the planter and one on something else, tillage or sprayer, and one might brake down.
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JDpastor
Posted 3/28/2018 22:17 (#6671958 - in reply to #6668986)
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+1
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WTW
Posted 3/27/2018 15:54 (#6669008 - in reply to #6668980)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Winkler, Manitoba Canada
Oldiskool - 3/27/2018 14:33

The 4955s are 20 years old.



A lot closer to 30 years old.
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Cfarms8400
Posted 3/27/2018 15:55 (#6669012 - in reply to #6669008)
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Nw Indiana		+1. My 8400 is 20 years old
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AGDEAL
Posted 3/27/2018 16:01 (#6669023 - in reply to #6668980)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Illinois
Oldiskool - 3/27/2018 15:33

How can you harp on this guy for only having 2 tractors total? I bet there are very few of farmers who have one tractor for everything. Not to mention unhooking/hooking. The 4955s are 20 years old. Anything can go wrong...whos to not have a backup? What if tillage is being done right ahead of the planter? I'm impressed he can do with that little amount of equipment personally.



Yeah no kidding. He will need one on the planter and one on the sprayer. And maybe more if tillage is involved.

I bet most of the people on this site have more than two tractors for less than 1000 acres
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cowski
Posted 3/27/2018 15:36 (#6668984 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Alabama		for a 1000 acres too much equipment. i think you need multi tractors, i would suggest 2 4640 tractors. a 20 foot 496 ih disk and a 14 shank chisel plow.a 8/30 row planter is plenty,add the split units. i would find a cheaper pull type sprayer. thats all you need starting out to plant 1000 acres. harvesting need a good combine a newer smaller one would be better. i would get a cheaper truck. 1 trailer. 1 gravity box with a auger.if you plant wheat need a 20 ft graindrill.
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Snafu
Posted 3/27/2018 15:53 (#6669004 - in reply to #6668984)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


kansas/nebraska border		No till?
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 16:40 (#6669079 - in reply to #6669004)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
Snafu - 3/27/2018 15:53

No till?


I am trying to low till. Maybe no till the double beans.
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Cfarms8400
Posted 3/27/2018 15:53 (#6669005 - in reply to #6668984)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nw Indiana		I would definitely agree with two tractors. I don't know how anybody could Farm a thousand acres on one tractor heck I Farm close to 800 and I need at least two. Especially in the springtime when one is planting in one is working ground. As far as a Planter's concerned, I would look at like a 12 or 16 row. When we went from 12 to 16 that we have now the 16 was actually cheaper than the 12 of the same age. And I will bet an eight row will be the same story a good shape on anyway. Something else to think about with a bigger planner is think about down the road with expanding. You're better off buying the bigger one now and then you have more room for expansion if you want down the road. 4955 would pull that no problem. If you can manage it though I would look at getting into an 8000 series you'll be much happier but it depends on your financials as well.
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 16:02 (#6669024 - in reply to #6669005)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
Cfarms8400 - 3/27/2018 15:53

I would definitely agree with two tractors. I don't know how anybody could Farm a thousand acres on one tractor heck I Farm close to 800 and I need at least two. Especially in the springtime when one is planting in one is working ground. As far as a Planter's concerned, I would look at like a 12 or 16 row. When we went from 12 to 16 that we have now the 16 was actually cheaper than the 12 of the same age. And I will bet an eight row will be the same story a good shape on anyway. Something else to think about with a bigger planner is think about down the road with expanding. You're better off buying the bigger one now and then you have more room for expansion if you want down the road. 4955 would pull that no problem. If you can manage it though I would look at getting into an 8000 series you'll be much happier but it depends on your financials as well.


Do you mean 12 or 16 as opposed to my current 31 row?
I was planning on using the same planter for both corn and beans, and having someone broadcast wheat.
Generally speaking, when one refers to 16 row planter is the width of 30" per row just implied?
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Cfarms8400
Posted 3/28/2018 12:36 (#6670799 - in reply to #6669024)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nw Indiana		Yeah I was in flying with a 16 row 30 inch planter. I guess I didn't realize you were going to plant both with one planter. I just know that when we purchased our 16 row and went from the 12 Row 2 16 was cheaper than a 12 roll of the same age and we had an eight row combine so it just made sense to go with that and have the planter match the combine. And we also had the horsepower to pull it so it was kind of a no brainer for us. However we also plant oure beans with it in 15 inch rows. I plant the whole field one time in 30s and then I come back and split it into 15
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1156versatile
Posted 3/27/2018 15:51 (#6669001 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Strathcona, mn		If the banker will go along with it and you can cash flow the payments go for it. Here, in full tillage is seriously look at an articulated Tractor. Looks like you are stuck in green paint so no need mentioning off color machines. IMO there are much better buys on non green machines for a lot of the iron you are looking for. My philosophy is if you can buy 2 machines of equal quality and one is larger than you need always buy the larger one. It not only will allow you to get done sooner but opens doors if other possibilities come up.
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 15:57 (#6669016 - in reply to #6669001)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
1156versatile - 3/27/2018 15:51

If the banker will go along with it and you can cash flow the payments go for it. Here, in full tillage is seriously look at an articulated Tractor. Looks like you are stuck in green paint so no need mentioning off color machines. IMO there are much better buys on non green machines for a lot of the iron you are looking for. My philosophy is if you can buy 2 machines of equal quality and one is larger than you need always buy the larger one. It not only will allow you to get done sooner but opens doors if other possibilities come up.


I am not stuck in green. I just studied more of their tractors and know more about it. Absolutely no brand loyalty. If you have analogous suggestions from any other make please lay em on me.
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9600Sidehill
Posted 3/27/2018 16:19 (#6669046 - in reply to #6669001)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Idaho		I agree on the articulating tractors. Row crops are nice but 8 wheelers are so cheap right now. Descent 300-400 hp tractors for 20-40K. I would suggest 1 of each. I know it is nice having matching models but matching brands many times use the same filters, common parts, etc.
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blackfarmer2
Posted 3/27/2018 16:18 (#6669045 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


For real or just think. How much money do you have. Omw land already?
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Excalibur
Posted 3/27/2018 16:22 (#6669050 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


SC WI		I hover around 1000 acres. I am interested what people responses are.
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jtpfarm
Posted 3/27/2018 16:27 (#6669054 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


mn		I would suggest an 80' sprayer rather than
a 90' since you are looking at a 40' planter.

IMO, I would get a 30 inch planter rather than interplant and then drill your beans since you mention wheat. No way I would want less than 12r for 1000 acres.

Edited by jtpfarm 3/27/2018 16:27
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ac45
Posted 3/27/2018 16:39 (#6669074 - in reply to #6669054)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Has the original poster ever farmed? Farmed not just drove a tractor. Let me guess hes in highschool and bored???. Yep you got to have a pete 379 or the grain wont get to town.
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 16:42 (#6669080 - in reply to #6669074)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
ac45 - 3/27/2018 16:39

Has the original poster ever farmed? Farmed not just drove a tractor. Let me guess hes in highschool and bored???. Yep you got to have a pete 379 or the grain wont get to town.


What is this supposed to mean? Insulting, not constructive and confusing all in four sentences.
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ac45
Posted 3/27/2018 16:47 (#6669083 - in reply to #6669080)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Let me guess . Im correct.
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HrdHnd
Posted 3/27/2018 18:49 (#6669298 - in reply to #6669083)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Oregon
ac45 - 3/27/2018 16:47

Let me guess . Im correct.


Are you suggesting he buy a Volvo?
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dt4020
Posted 3/27/2018 20:55 (#6669628 - in reply to #6669298)
Subject: Volvos, I tell ya they get no respect.


Fairbury, NE (Southeast)		Hey go easy!

He does need two tractors. But don't waste your time with a 4955. 8x00 for the main horse and a 4450 for the sprayer. Or just get a self propelled and get a 4430 to mow and throw up ridges. Good luck to you sir and if you need any help or ?? email is good.
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easymoney
Posted 3/27/2018 16:50 (#6669084 - in reply to #6669080)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


ecmn		not a bad list but I would drop gravity wagons for cart like mentioned since you have a cart.

go to strip till and get rid of the tillage list.
for 1000 acres in strip till corn, strip till/no till beans and no till wheat you have more then enough hp and them two tractors will last decades.

go to full tillage and you will be replacing tractors or spending big money on repairs, tillage equipment always needs wear parts and then replacing.
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centralillinois
Posted 3/27/2018 17:31 (#6669144 - in reply to #6669084)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


You're on the right track with the 4955's but you might consider a larger tractor just to be able to handle a 1000 bushel cart to match a semi. The cart could have more tongue weight than is recommended for the 4955 but I'd check that before I'd purchase anything. You didn't say if you've got another job but if you do you might consider hiring the spraying done and the wheat planting. That will give you some room buying equipment and give you time to focus on planting. Have you considered hiring the elevator to haul the grain for a couple years? The cost of owning a truck will be very close to what it would cost to have someone pick up 1000 acres of grain, especially if you're in a corn/wheat/soybean rotation. If you own a truck you need someone to drive it. Around here that's not easy to find for a month out of the year.
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AGDEAL
Posted 3/27/2018 17:21 (#6669132 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Illinois		If he owns almost 1200 acres most of you should be asking him for advice
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3532
Posted 3/27/2018 17:22 (#6669134 - in reply to #6669132)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


North Eastern ND
AGDEAL - 3/27/2018 16:21

If he owns almost 1200 acres most of you should be asking him for advice


Best comment yet ! Lol
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Bluedog
Posted 3/27/2018 17:37 (#6669157 - in reply to #6669132)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
AGDEAL - 3/27/2018 17:21

If he owns almost 1200 acres most of you should be asking him for advice



Lol
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ohio474
Posted 3/27/2018 18:01 (#6669196 - in reply to #6669157)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


north east ohio in the snow belt Ashtabula co		Why are you screwing around with wheat and corn. No money in wheat , and corn is high dollar crop. You got water or not.




Is what it is. That's all I got to say about that.
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Excalibur
Posted 3/27/2018 17:54 (#6669180 - in reply to #6669132)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


SC WI		+1

Lol

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Ohio_farmer
Posted 3/27/2018 18:03 (#6669199 - in reply to #6669132)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


West central Ohio
AGDEAL - 3/27/2018 18:21

If he owns almost 1200 acres most of you should be asking him for advice


Like who he inherited it from? Sounds to me like he's never farmed/never been around a farm/ and is going on a whim and a prayer. If you own that much ground, i believe you should have a few bucks to spend on equipment also, without financing it. If the ground has been owned for any amount of time, 1200 acres should make a pretty healthy cash rent check. Or did that get spent on a king ranch for him, yukon denali for her, and a big fancy house for both to live in?
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AGDEAL
Posted 3/27/2018 18:19 (#6669226 - in reply to #6669199)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Illinois		How he got it doesn't matter.

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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 18:38 (#6669274 - in reply to #6669199)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
Ohio_farmer - 3/27/2018 18:03

AGDEAL - 3/27/2018 18:21

If he owns almost 1200 acres most of you should be asking him for advice


Like who he inherited it from? Sounds to me like he's never farmed/never been around a farm/ and is going on a whim and a prayer. If you own that much ground, i believe you should have a few bucks to spend on equipment also, without financing it. If the ground has been owned for any amount of time, 1200 acres should make a pretty healthy cash rent check. Or did that get spent on a king ranch for him, yukon denali for her, and a big fancy house for both to live in?


Why not just go after the list instead of making assumptions? I'm obviously looking for advice on farm equipment to farm 1000 acres not lifestyle advice.

Edited by rabbiccu 3/27/2018 18:39
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Ohio_farmer
Posted 3/27/2018 19:36 (#6669407 - in reply to #6669274)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


West central Ohio		My mistake. First i would ditch the Pete. But a 05-07 international with half the miles and probably the same money. Second, ditch the gravity boxes for a second international. Tillage- either a ripper or chisel, don't need both. C shank, Danish tine? Field cultivator? Again, pick one, dont need both. Tractors- ditch tbe 4955 for a 4wd. Just watched a nice 9170 with 6300 hrs and 8 new tires sell for 24k. Crops- ditch the wheat unless you can grow 70 bushel wheat AND 30 bushel dc soys
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GM Guy
Posted 3/27/2018 20:50 (#6669611 - in reply to #6669407)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


NW KS/ SC ID
Ohio_farmer - 3/27/2018 18:36

My mistake. First i would ditch the Pete. But a 05-07 international with half the miles and probably the same money. Second, ditch the gravity boxes for a second international. Tillage- either a ripper or chisel, don't need both. C shank, Danish tine? Field cultivator? Again, pick one, dont need both. Tractors- ditch tbe 4955 for a 4wd. Just watched a nice 9170 with 6300 hrs and 8 new tires sell for 24k. Crops- ditch the wheat unless you can grow 70 bushel wheat AND 30 bushel dc soys


Why would you go for a 05-07 IH? The only thing worse is a newer Prostar with a Maxxforce.

Get a 90s 9400 with a Series 60 or a N14.
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Ohio_farmer
Posted 3/27/2018 21:44 (#6669795 - in reply to #6669611)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


West central Ohio		I have a 07 9400i with an isx. Been a good truck for me
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putt putt
Posted 3/28/2018 06:40 (#6670098 - in reply to #6669274)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


NW Iowa		I work as an applicator at a co-op and farm also. The biggest ROI it's going to be the sprayer. 1200 gal would be nice, but thats alot of weight to be pulling across the field on 2 skinny wheels. We spray with a 4640, cheap guidance system, saddle tanks, and an 80 foot 3pt boom. Cheap and kills weeds like a 350k sprayer. If it were up to me, the sprayer would be 90 ft so we wouldn't be on the guess row all the time. My advice from someone getting going, if that is what you want for tractors and you afford them, get them. They are much easier to with on yourself, have way less electrics, and will do everything you want.
Most important thing to remember is just don't run to the local coop for everything, shop around. If there is one thing I've learned working at a co-op its that they don't care if you make money, they care if you pay your bill. Sorry for the rambling.
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Cfarms8400
Posted 3/28/2018 12:49 (#6670821 - in reply to #6669199)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nw Indiana		Shouldn't really matter who he inherited it from. He's asking advice on equipment not on which fancy truck to buy or which mansion on the hill he should consider. You know I got a lot of respect for this guy I wish I own 1200 Acres. At least he's out there trying to make a go of it. There's been a few threads on here of people backhanding this guy. Sounds like a lot of jealousy to me. Why don't you get off his back and give him some helpful advice instead of pounding him?
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1973
Posted 3/27/2018 18:54 (#6669312 - in reply to #6669132)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


SW. IOWA		Ground is easy to inherent
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Poverty acres
Posted 3/27/2018 19:09 (#6669335 - in reply to #6669312)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Central SD		Skip the 55s and get a couple 8000 series's
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roush9799
Posted 3/27/2018 18:20 (#6669231 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



West Central IL

A 4955 only has 1000 pto, if you need a 540 you may need a 4455.  Also, not sure how tractor prices are there compared to here, a $34,000 4955 would probably have 10,000 hours on it here if they are MFWD.  If you could swing it, you could get into an 8100 for high $50-$60 and have a much better cab and possibly all pto's.

Edit, You could get an 8100, then buy a cheap older 4x4 for your grunt work and grain cart.  Maybe spend $25000 on a 4x4 and put more towards a good planter/sprayer tractor.



Edited by roush9799 3/27/2018 18:22
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Iowa 83
Posted 3/27/2018 18:51 (#6669304 - in reply to #6669231)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


West Central Iowa		We got all green, but I'd much rather have a boxcar magnum than a 55 series John Deere, mostly because of the cab, like others said if going green move to the 8x00 series. Also if your starting with all that new to you used equiptment add at least 10-20% for fixing them up, especially semis.
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WTF2014
Posted 3/27/2018 19:23 (#6669367 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


CIL		What kind of help/labor can you expect during your busy seasons? That will help determine your equipment more than the general budget IMO. Can you do your own repairs? What are you comfortable tackling as a mechanic? If you are a one man band....GPS/auto steer will help a lot, especially with the planter and sprayer.
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 19:43 (#6669428 - in reply to #6669367)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
WTF2014 - 3/27/2018 19:23

What kind of help/labor can you expect during your busy seasons? That will help determine your equipment more than the general budget IMO. Can you do your own repairs? What are you comfortable tackling as a mechanic? If you are a one man band....GPS/auto steer will help a lot, especially with the planter and sprayer.[/QUOTED]

Not sure about the labor. I may be able to find help but I hear complaints and people say that will be the biggest challenge.

I can do some repairs. Definitely not a mechanic. I was lanning ona trimbpe system for GPS auto steer.
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WTF2014
Posted 3/27/2018 20:10 (#6669503 - in reply to #6669428)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


CIL
rabbiccu - 3/27/2018 19:43

WTF2014 - 3/27/2018 19:23

What kind of help/labor can you expect during your busy seasons? That will help determine your equipment more than the general budget IMO. Can you do your own repairs? What are you comfortable tackling as a mechanic? If you are a one man band....GPS/auto steer will help a lot, especially with the planter and sprayer.[/QUOTED]

Not sure about the labor. I may be able to find help but I hear complaints and people say that will be the biggest challenge.

I can do some repairs. Definitely not a mechanic. I was lanning ona trimbpe system for GPS auto steer.



So based on your response, you are a one man band. Then this is the case where I'd say the one tractor guys are right. Buy the largest, best hydraulic equipped tractor you can and the largest planter you can run behind it. If the tractor breaks down, be prepared to rent one from a local dealer while they repair yours. No real use in having two tractors if there's no one around to run one. Plus buying a more modern tractor (better hydraulics) can help future proof it when it comes to future upgrades.

If you are looking for a GPS system that does it all from autosteer, to planting, to spraying, to yield monitoring, then go agleader. Forget the rest. This will save you a ton of fatigue and help a lot on those nights when you would have called it quits earlier. I don't know if you are working another job outside of farming, but so long as this allows you to enjoy what you are doing with your time...that's the most important thing.

Edited by WTF2014 3/27/2018 20:11
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Bill1975
Posted 3/27/2018 19:44 (#6669433 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska,Iowa and Dakotas		Dont worry about having a Peterbuilt. You can get same condition truck for 5-10000 less. There is no where in Nebraska that notil will not save you tillage costs, soil erosion and moisture loss associated with tillage. Find a 1680 for 20-25000, easy to work on with quality aftermarket parts available. For a thosand acres one hopper trailer and 600 bu grain cart, no gravity boxes, 31 row planter has no yield advantage and more parts over 30 inch planter , save 5-10000.. You can get good corn head for less. You can by a good pull type sprayer for half that for acres you will have. I have been doing this a while. You need to sharpen your pencil in todays prices. You also will have a part time or even full time job with only 1000 acres cropland unless you have a sugar daddy.

Edited by Bill1975 3/27/2018 19:50
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Lon
Posted 3/27/2018 19:51 (#6669447 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


w-Mn		Well you asked so I'll contribute my 2 cents worth. Planter; I would go with a 12-row 30" or a 16 row 22", 1780 is kind of a POS. Don't know how popular narrow row is in that area but here we do 22" corn and beans and have been happy with them. That size planter you could pull with a small frame tractor, 4440-4450, 7800, this would give you a tractor with both 540 and small 1000 PTO. Bigger hp tractor find a 4wd or T, preferably with a PTO. Dollar wise $15-20K for smaller tractor and $40-50K for the bigger one. The way combines are selling you could probably find a 9660 series for that kind of money. Cornhead, 6-30 or 8-22, that way you could make a full round if you don't have somebody to run a cart. Beanhead I would stick to a 30ft with a 9650 or 9660. Truck, that Pete is damn near 30 years old, for less money you could find a newer 9200 IH or Freightliner, and spend a few more dollars on a better trailer. Skip the gravity boxes and get a cart, either a 1000 bu or at least a 750 bu so you would have enough for a load for the truck with a full hopper on the combine and the cart full. I don't do wheat so I don't know what the best route is for that. If it works in your area I would seriously look at strip-till or some kind of no-till, min-till.
There are a few guys in our area that are one man shows that run around a 1000 acs and they get done pretty easy. Most of them have there own storage so that helps but in our area the Elevators can get you in and out pretty quick.
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cr39
Posted 3/27/2018 20:23 (#6669537 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


I would say you have a good list. 9650 with the 843 and a 630 would be lots of combine for the money. 4955 is a fairly good value, you could swap out one for a 4840 for half price. Also swap out a late 90s freightliner sleeper cab for the pete. I would also swap out the john deere planter for a Kinze 2600.
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ndfarmr
Posted 3/27/2018 20:36 (#6669569 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


EC ND		Rent all of it out for 1 or 2 years cash rent, boom. Problem solved, buy what you want.

If farming is truly what you want to do starting with just dirt, and a 1 man show, efficiency is #1.

55K 300+ hp 4WD tractor
15K 45' cultivator
15K 36' Chisel OR
15K Disc (pick 1 for now)
8K 7+ shank Ripper (if needed)

45K 200+ hp tractor
20K 12 or 16r 30" planter
12K Sprayer 90 or 80' depending on planter size decision.
4K Ditch Mower
6K Ditcher (don't need right away)
2K 12 row crop cultivator (if needed)
166K not doing your own harvesting (round up to 170 for other supporting items).

Using your harvest equipment from list:
50K Combine
21K Corn head
16K Flex head
15K Grain cart
40K 2 semis to help haul your crop. Doesn't need to be fancy, 20-25k invested with both truck and trailer combined.
142K (round up to 146 for wear and tear)

My opinion and if you can, hire a custom combiner. Comes with all the help and none of the headaches, other than them getting to your crop next.

Good Luck.
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ahay68979
Posted 3/27/2018 21:06 (#6669669 - in reply to #6669569)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Saronville NE		Go to 8400-8410 w auto steer $65k
8 r strip till. $25k
16 r planter. $30k
Sprayer. $10k
2188. $25k
Cornhead $10k
Flex head $10k
Big cart $30k
2 semis and trailer $40k.

$245k good to go.
Your good to go.
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oldbones
Posted 3/27/2018 20:59 (#6669645 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Floyd County, Iowa		I think I'd forget the gravity wagons. You have those valued at the same price as the Pete, so get a 2nd Pete.
As far as the Pete's, what's wrong with the other brands that can be bought for less? A lot of Internationals, Freightliners, and others out there for less than a 379.
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 21:02 (#6669655 - in reply to #6669645)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
oldbones - 3/27/2018 20:59

I think I'd forget the gravity wagons. You have those valued at the same price as the Pete, so get a 2nd Pete.
As far as the Pete's, what's wrong with the other brands that can be bought for less? A lot of Internationals, Freightliners, and others out there for less than a 379.


Nothing is wrong with any brand. This is just a preliminary budget. I have no brand loyalty these are merely models I am familiar with. I am open to and asking for alternative ideas and suggestions.

Edited by rabbiccu 3/27/2018 21:04
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GM Guy
Posted 3/27/2018 21:07 (#6669677 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


NW KS/ SC ID		Far better values out there in tractors, 49s are pushing the Soundguard generation drivetrain a tick far, especially if its 2wd. If you are set on JD, go 8000 series, if you want to save $ and still get an excellent tractor, a White, Ford/ New Holland Genesis, or CIH squarebody magnum will be better values.


Peterbilts are nice, but a crappy old Volvo or Freightliner can be had cheap, and if you catch the stack with the graincart and fold it into the sleeper, you wont cry as long. :) If you still gotta have a Pete, consider going older, old trucks are plenty reliable if cared for.

Why the gravity wagons? Get one more truck to go with the 2nd trailer. Also, your trailer budget wont get very good trailers unless you really shop around.

Combines, also far better values out there. I personally believe the Transverse Gleaner is the best machine on the market, but they hold their resale pretty decent compared to their Agco axial cousins.

If you want the best bang for the buck in used combines right now, get a Massey or Challenger. A guy we know bought a Gleaner A85 (Same as a 9895 MF) for under 50K, and that was 2 years ago. He bought a second one last year for under 45K. The Dynaflex draper is well respected, and they can be had reasonably priced. There is plenty of cornhead options out there, many aftermarket cornheads on the market, and they have adapters available for all brands.

Planters, if you are going No-Till the Case IH is well respected and require little to no modifications from factory to no-till. White makes a pretty good planter as well. The Great Plains planter might be the best value on the market today, the twin row concept gave them a black eye (hence the price), but the row unit itself is well designed and does a good job from what we hear.
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Deaner
Posted 3/27/2018 22:14 (#6669863 - in reply to #6669677)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Northern Ohio		Haven't heard, are you farming full time or full time job and farm on the side? Makes a difference in the size of equip needed. Can't make it on 1000 acres? Consider specialty crops, makes more money per acre and spreads your risk. Also spreads your workload. Beets if they are in your area, popcorn if buyers nearby, sunflowers, hay, organic grains ( but you'll need on farm storage soon ). 500 acres of no-till and 500 acres of organic grain would spread out workload and make a nice six figure income.
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/27/2018 23:21 (#6669958 - in reply to #6669863)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
Deaner - 3/27/2018 22:14

Haven't heard, are you farming full time or full time job and farm on the side? Makes a difference in the size of equip needed. Can't make it on 1000 acres? Consider specialty crops, makes more money per acre and spreads your risk. Also spreads your workload. Beets if they are in your area, popcorn if buyers nearby, sunflowers, hay, organic grains ( but you'll need on farm storage soon ). 500 acres of no-till and 500 acres of organic grain would spread out workload and make a nice six figure income.


I plan to do full time.
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johnk
Posted 3/28/2018 07:42 (#6670220 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


ncia		Youre on the right track. I don't farm much more, but have too much equipment after 40+years of accumulation. I should have sale and start over with your list. good luck and have fun
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Mitch22
Posted 3/28/2018 07:50 (#6670241 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Holy Cross, IA		Just a bit of advice before you start is to remember that the tractors don't make the money on a farm. It's what you put behind them that gets the work done. You can pull the same planter with a tractor that is 20 years older and half the price and get the same yields. We started out farming 500 acres with 3 4430s, but spent the money on planters, balers, etc. Now we can afford nicer tractors.

Also, I bleed John Deere green, but I would go with a red combine. For the age and price you're budgeting, Case IH made a much better machine in the 2366, 2377 and 2388. I can also help in finding quality used and rebuilt heads for half of what you have budgeted.

I would spend the $20,000 you budgeted on wagons on a 1000 bushel cart. This would eliminate the need for augers, which you forgot to list (don't think you want to shovel the wagons into the hopper bottoms).

Don't know about your area, but in ours there has been no benefit in doing 15" beans over 30" so I would find a well maintained 1760 or 1770 planter (less moving parts). I would also do as much no-till as possible, especially with as dry as it can be in your area, it will really help with moisture retention.
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tmrand
Posted 3/28/2018 08:17 (#6670308 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Southeast Colorado		I've got a neighbor trying to sell a somewhat ugly (paint is not pretty) but very well maintained 1680 Combine. I could put you in touch if you're serious. It would cut all of your acres and your combine budget drastically!
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pbutler
Posted 3/28/2018 09:04 (#6670414 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Macon, IL		I would say depends on your time (off farm job?), wrenching ability, support-dealer/neighbors, etc.

I farmed 800 acres with one 4640 (no-till), but wouldn't want to do that with full tillage.

34k isn't going to get you a GREAT 4955, but 64k will get you a pretty nice 8x00/8x10. I totally get the redundant factor on tractors-but unless you are going to be running both at once I think you could do other combinations.

That sprayer will pay for itself faster than anything.

Head prices seem steep.

That planter for 22k (at least here) is going to need some parts and work and $.

Why 1 truck and 2 trailers? I would much rather have one good 20k trailer than two 14k work out ones.

Don't see any GPS stuff here-I think that would easily pay on 1k acres. Probably 12-15k in AgLeader stuff for 1 tractor and combine-but money well spent, would get you WAAS and Autosteer you could move between tractors and combine. Another $400 will get you Terrastar which I plant corn with no problems.

Good luck-wish I had that budget starting! You should be fine, hang some money back for repairs-90% of time I spend 20% of about anything I buy used getting it "right"-I am pretty picky-no time for in season break downs.
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32 wcf
Posted 3/28/2018 09:22 (#6670466 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Montana		I'd try for an 8000 series JD, and then a boxcar magnum. (I hate switching the pto 1000/540 on jd tractors) Also I've never been a fan of the 50 series combines. Maybe jump to 60 series or Id consider whatever brand was priced right. Mostly likely at a retirement auction sale. As for the truck I just enjoy driving a cat 3406 if possible. Your price on the trailers seems too cheap to me. What about a no til box drill for the wheat? Jd or Great Plains. All the tillage sounds cheap therefore I doubt you'll be satisfied with the job each tool would do. I'm not familiar with the corn and soybeans so take this for what it's worth.
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mac4440
Posted 3/28/2018 09:47 (#6670510 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Do you actually own 1000 acres? If so, rent it out and live the easy life. If you have to ask what it takes to farm 1000 acres, you have a big learning curve ahead.
Sounds to me like a high school ag class project, or something you are daydreaming about staring out the window.

Edited by mac4440 3/28/2018 09:50
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rabbiccu
Posted 3/28/2018 10:34 (#6670589 - in reply to #6670510)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
mac4440 - 3/28/2018 09:47

Do you actually own 1000 acres? If so, rent it out and live the easy life. If you have to ask what it takes to farm 1000 acres, you have a big learning curve ahead.
Sounds to me like a high school ag class project, or something you are daydreaming about staring out the window.


I'm earnestly planning to begin farming my own land. I have lots of local advice and help, but I value the opinion of people on this board - which I've been lurking for years. I don't "have to ask", I am just trying to get many different ideas to make the best plan going forward. It's information gathering, a step in research.

Thanks to all the people and their great input in this thread! I'm noticing a trend and have made many changes in my spreadsheet already.
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ihmanky
Posted 3/28/2018 19:40 (#6671504 - in reply to #6670510)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



KY

I notice he wrote a lot but didn't actually answer the only question you asked Mac.  That in itself is probably the answer.  



Edited by ihmanky 3/28/2018 19:41
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Mostlyred
Posted 3/28/2018 12:43 (#6670810 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Farm in WC Iowa		Your planter should be your biggest priority. Getting the seed in the ground in a timely fashion is a one shot deal.
I’m not familiar with wheat production so I cannot speak to its needs, In particular the tillage needs or no till ability into its stubble.

My thoughts
-Multiple tractors are good. The 200hp might be a little over kill for most mowers yet not enough to run some planters.
-8 large tires are costly regardless of machine cost
-Gravity wagons don’t need licensing or yearly inspections.
-An old farmer might be happy to pull double gravity wagons over hustling behind a semi wheel. And he/she doesn’t need a cdl.
-Tillage is not always necessary.
-Tire tracks suck use controlled traffic lanes when possible or limit your hauling to specific routes.
-There will always be a way to save more money (as in cheaper equipment)
- be conservative with equipment purchase prices but keep things in working good condition
-repairs can kill profit
-Crisp dollar bills are nicer to have than shiny paint.
-Handling chemicals may cause health issues. (We custom hire but you could save big $ here)
-you may find a neighbor or family that would lease limited use items to you like a ripper.
- depending on the available help during harvest custom might be a sound choice as you get your feet wet.
-2 people trying to harvest corn (80,000/bu+) isn’t really efficient. It can be done but even better if you get the local elevator or coop to haul for you and you have enough grain to dump on them to fill their semi in one shot. *This is assuming there is no on farm storage option.
-not everyone on here has tact (me included)

Here would be a red list for you.
Planter - 16/31 early riser 1200 series (250hp minimum)
If you feel compelled to get a drill for wheat don’t plant a 15” crop.
Tractor- 8950
Tractor- 8920
Sprayer- 80’ pull type
Combine-2188/2388
Heads - 8r corn-30’ 1020 platform
Head cart for at least the 30’
2- gravity wagons 650-750bu (we raise seed beans and these help get better quality/premiums)
1- semi and hopper bottom
(If gravity wagons don’t suit you then two tractor trailer combos with 750+ grain cart)
Tillage
28’-32’ disc 496 Case IH
40’? 4900 cultivator (this would max out the hp requirements on paper, but the hp stated on a 8950
Might be lower than actual)


GPS might be an affordable luxury that would pay for itself in cost savings and less user fatigue.

This would be similar to my stable. I wanted to stay with the latest of the non electronically controlled motors. Yes You can over spend buying 20 year old stuff if you have a firm budget.

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JDpastor
Posted 3/28/2018 22:44 (#6672001 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



This post just got even more interesting after reading a post from the same OP from about 10 months ago. You can read that here: https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=705614&pos...

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rabbiccu
Posted 3/29/2018 09:57 (#6672740 - in reply to #6672001)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


Nebraska
JDpastor - 3/28/2018 22:44

This post just got even more interesting after reading a post from the same OP from about 10 months ago. You can read that here: https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=705614&posts=1...



Things have changed in a year, imagine that.

Why are half the people on this board only interested in trying to tear me down - and not discussing machinery? It's pathetic to be a gatekeeper to a public message board. In the future I will have my deeds scanned to validate myself when I ask for advice on this public message board, Chief.

Edited by rabbiccu 3/29/2018 10:11
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blackfarmer2
Posted 3/29/2018 12:38 (#6673182 - in reply to #6672740)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


rabbiccu - 3/29/2018 10:57

JDpastor - 3/28/2018 22:44

This post just got even more interesting after reading a post from the same OP from about 10 months ago. You can read that here: https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=705614&posts=1...



Things have changed in a year, imagine that.

Why are half the people on this board only interested in trying to tear me down - and not discussing machinery? It's pathetic to be a gatekeeper to a public message board. In the future I will have my deeds scanned to validate myself when I ask for advice on this public message board, Chief.
don't understand what the issues are.
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GM Guy
Posted 3/29/2018 21:01 (#6674103 - in reply to #6672740)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique


NW KS/ SC ID
rabbiccu - 3/29/2018 08:57

JDpastor - 3/28/2018 22:44

This post just got even more interesting after reading a post from the same OP from about 10 months ago. You can read that here: https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=705614&posts=1...



Things have changed in a year, imagine that.

Why are half the people on this board only interested in trying to tear me down - and not discussing machinery? It's pathetic to be a gatekeeper to a public message board. In the future I will have my deeds scanned to validate myself when I ask for advice on this public message board, Chief.


A pastor and a rabbi log onto NAT, the pastor is mistaken for an Indian Chief, the rabbi is not actually a rabbi, but rather a rabbiccu (whatever that is :) ). To finish this terrible joke we need the pastor to reply back for more material. :)


Dont worry rabbiccu, the only judgement from me is the questionable choice in equipment color! :D Hang in there, Spring will come and cabin fever will break and guys will get alot happier.

Good luck in your endeavor.
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pbutler
Posted 3/29/2018 14:50 (#6673432 - in reply to #6668892)
Subject: RE: Machinery List for 1000 Acres Soy/Wheat/Corn - Please Critique



Macon, IL		Just read that you are planning on doing this full time-and borrowing money to purchase equipment.

#1-Full time is way different-you can downsize equipment a lot-doesn't take near that much equipment to do 1,000 acres

#2-Equipment payments going to come right out of your income pocket. Farming is a weird unpredictable endeavor-profit is never guaranteed. I would hold some $ back-can you afford to make your payments and live a year on $0? Depends on cash reserves-like your lender will tell you-cash is king.

#3-1k acres is going to take a lot of $ to get your first crop going. HERE looking at $300,000-$500,000 depending on corn bean mix, fertility/lime, seed costs, etc. Do you have enough credit to finance a couple hundred thousand equipment-and inputs? 1000 acres is one hell of a base most people would dream of-and you can get a loan with that as collateral-but you would be surprised how fast farming can chew up capitol-be conservative those first couple years for sure. Would hate to see you put farm and yourself in a tight spot because of a couple bad decision and some bad luck.

You sound like a younger guy. The "rent it out a couple years and put the income into the equipment" strategy some have suggested I think is really good advice. Two years and you start farming with zero equipment debt-that sounds like a whole lot more fun and less stressful and risky to me.

If you are dead set itching to start (I get that)-what about farming 1/2 and renting half-learn the hard lessons at a 50% discount?

Not trying to discourage you-best job in the world-if you have the opportunity and means I highly recommend it. But just giving my two cents since you asked.


Edited by pbutler 3/29/2018 14:53
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