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ahay68979
Posted 4/29/2017 19:53 (#5990305)
Subject: Skid steer question or advice.


Saronville NE
Never been around skid steers much. But making changes in operation. Thinking of adding one. Want one that will handle 5x6 round bales, seed box's, tree and post puller and dirt work. Thinking a 2500-3k lift machine. Who makes a good one with C/H/A. Used under $25k. What to look for? How many hours are too many? I know nothing about them. TIA
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carlsoncl
Posted 4/29/2017 19:58 (#5990316 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Beresford, SD
Dad has a LS190 new holland. Has 3800hrs. and has been very trouble free. Bought it with 500 hrs. about 10 years ago. Believe you could get a darn nice one under your budget.
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Chris5130
Posted 4/29/2017 20:08 (#5990335 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Southern indiana
Older new Hollands are tough to beat but I have no experience with their cabs. I would look for a used Kubota track machine. I really like the overhead door.
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yongfarmer89
Posted 4/29/2017 20:49 (#5990449 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


whitesville new york
Really like our gehl. We run a 5635 but I think a 6635 would fit what you want to do better.
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Blusteryknollfarm
Posted 4/29/2017 20:57 (#5990477 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


North Central Illinois
I have a Case 1840 with just over 6k hours. I like it, but I do need to fix a couple hydro leaks and it's probably too small for you. I can move 5x6 bales, but they'd better be bone dry!
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rednwia
Posted 4/29/2017 21:09 (#5990510 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


NW IA
I'd look at a cat, may be tough to find one under 25k though but they are a great machine. Had a new holland l185 before would do all you want but have a cat 262d now and does all that much better
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johnny skeptical
Posted 4/29/2017 21:10 (#5990512 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



n.c.iowa
Just traded off a 60xt case skid loader, for a svr280.

The 60 had about 3000 hrs on it, they had it sold before it even hit the dealership, I think they got about 14k out of.
It would handle some pretty good sized bales with a bale spear, we have a notch rock bucket grapple and would often move bales with it, it would lift them fine but would be light on the rear end, the grapple bucket is pretty heavy.
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Abomb
Posted 4/29/2017 21:36 (#5990596 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


We got a bobcat 205 it is a bit small for moving 2,000# but does it. 3100 some hours and done pretty much nothing but oil changes and grease. Inline motor like nh I've been told are easier to work on but the machine is longer. Luckily I haven't had to do much on ours.
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DB Tracks
Posted 4/29/2017 22:16 (#5990673 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells
I only have experience with New Holland and Bobcat, 20 years ago sold milk cows and converted old dairy barn to loafing barn for feeding out steers, had NH 565 at the time, 1700 lb lift. We bolted 150 lb wheel wheight on the back. Had to have low profile to get under haymow floor, so we traded up to NH 170.

We load 5x6 bales out in the fields with loader tractor on GN flatbed 5 bales on each side with 4 on top to bind them together, back at the barn it got interesting unloading with 1700 lb lift. Then in 2013 we bought S750 Bobcat that has 3200 lb lift and kept the NH 170 just to clean out old dairy barn, new barns have plenty of head room. 750 really handles the bales, proboxes, and clam bucket. It's twice the size of the 170.

Both have been real dependable, but for what you are wanting to do, you want at least 2500 lb lift, 3000 would be even better.

750 also has 2 speed witch is handy.

Dan


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richard240
Posted 4/29/2017 23:00 (#5990741 - in reply to #5990673)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


jackson county WI
+1 on a 650 or 750 bobcat. Can choose from different options as far as controls, which ever you like best. Pretty durable machines
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ohio474
Posted 4/29/2017 23:18 (#5990760 - in reply to #5990741)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


north east ohio in the snow belt Ashtabula co
If your going to use it out side,in the mud Get tracks, wheel machines doin't like mud. Doin't matter what kind . Get tracks.







That's all i got to say about that.





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Abomb
Posted 4/29/2017 23:39 (#5990776 - in reply to #5990760)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


He might be fine but further north mud during day freeze at night doesn't go well with tracks unless you have a heated building to park in
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Jim
Posted 4/29/2017 23:16 (#5990757 - in reply to #5990673)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Driftless SW Wisconsin

+1 on the extra capacity. 5x6 bales can be heavy, especially if lifting them high to stack.  Just because a skid steer is advertised at x lb lift, that doesn't mean you can do it at any height, on any surface.  5x6 bale CG is further out than the standard rating point also as I recall.  Go larger than you think.  

A big thing with used skid steers, as with used fork lifts: find out where and how they have been used in the past.

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17821x
Posted 4/30/2017 11:40 (#5991614 - in reply to #5990757)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


NE Iowa
Jim, the load rating on wheeled skid steers is 50% of the tipping load with the load applied to the center of a dirt bucket. So yes a bale is further out then where they rate skid steers at but the load rating is only 50% of what it takes to tip a skid steer. Tracked skid steers the load rating is only 35% of the tip load so they are even more stable in general. In general a skid steer can pick up a bale maybe 20% more than its load rating.
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garvo
Posted 4/30/2017 05:50 (#5990871 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


western iowa,by Denison
your a big guy-you might get claustrophobia in the cab-we run a older bobcat 300-seems more reliable then the newer bobcats
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ahay68979
Posted 4/30/2017 07:16 (#5990968 - in reply to #5990871)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Saronville NE
Been looking at NH 190 and 250-300 bobcats. See nobody mentioned Deere and I'm being told to stay away from them.
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Crete
Posted 4/30/2017 08:03 (#5991107 - in reply to #5990968)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Badger State
Deere is a great machine. The plant they are built in isn't far from here. They can't build them fast enough.
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johnwayne360
Posted 4/30/2017 08:36 (#5991201 - in reply to #5991107)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


near dyersville iowa
the new deeres. i think in the 2000-2010(?) they had some problems. new ones seem to have a better reputation.
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DB Tracks
Posted 4/30/2017 09:01 (#5991266 - in reply to #5990968)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells
I don't know how big you are ahay, both my sons oldest is 6'6" and the youngest is 6'9" they get in both NH 170 and S750 though youngest fits in 750 better.



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mikado
Posted 4/30/2017 10:22 (#5991441 - in reply to #5991266)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


SW WI
Couple of big boys DB. Was your oldest son out for football? My oldest son thinks he remembers playing against him.
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DB Tracks
Posted 4/30/2017 10:37 (#5991468 - in reply to #5991441)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells
Yes; oldest is Jake he grad from high school (New Lisbon) in 2008 and is farming with my brother and I. He played football, he played DE on defense and TE on offense. Basketball is his game just loves it, played in junior college and plays in couple men's league now.

Dan
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mikado
Posted 4/30/2017 11:10 (#5991540 - in reply to #5991468)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


SW WI
My oldest boy graduated in 10 from high school. So I remember a game against NL fall of 07, would of been your son's senior year, that my son played in. NL got the win. That season we lacked some discipline and it showed.

My daughter graduated in 08. She played volleyball, basketball and softball.
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DB Tracks
Posted 4/30/2017 11:54 (#5991639 - in reply to #5991540)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells
I never missed a game my children played in, I just can't recall that game in particular. Was it a game changer in Senic Bluff conference?

Dan
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mikado
Posted 4/30/2017 12:12 (#5991669 - in reply to #5991639)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


SW WI
We (Bangor) needed to win to keep our playoff chances alive. At the time I think NL was in 1st place. I can't recall if NL won the conference or maybe Necedah did that year.

My son was a running back, first series 3 carries 21 yds.....let's keep doing what we're doing right? Senior quarterback decided to implement a read option (i.e. pulling the handoff back and keeping it himself). We don't have a read option! Injuries, having to play young players, and the lack of discipline ended our season with just 3 wins.
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DB Tracks
Posted 4/30/2017 13:41 (#5991866 - in reply to #5991669)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells
Jake just refreshed my memory; he thought Necedah won Senic Bluff, NL came in 2nd, then had to go to Seneca (spelling) and that was the end of Rockets (NL) season.

Dan

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Cowcaller
Posted 4/30/2017 15:23 (#5992056 - in reply to #5991866)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


North West Missouri
I've had a Kubota svl75 for about a year. Track machine. Only 135 hrs. So far. Have been very satisfied . Really like the overhead door. Would buy another.

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Cobb
Posted 4/30/2017 07:20 (#5990982 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


NE Oklahoma
Got a case 465,90 hp, have over the tire tracks, cab H/A love it

Edited by Cobb 4/30/2017 07:22
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LNS8310
Posted 4/30/2017 08:02 (#5991098 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


N.C. Iowa

Should be able to get into a JD 326D or 328D for that money.  Not sure on how many hours are too many, we usually trade before 2000.  I have spent a lot of time in Bobcats, NH, and Deere's.  I think they are all good machines, but I always felt like the JD was better balanced than the other two, even though the NH has the same lift.  I got some cement bunks from a friend who had a Bobcat, and he couldn't lift the bunks with one skid loader without tipping, we could easily lift them with our 326 and both skid loaders were rated the same.

If you are new to skid loaders, start with the joystick (iso) controls, once you get used to them, they are less tiring after a long day.  Garvo mentioned you being a big guy, stay away from the 300 series Deere with the door that opens up.  They are good skid loaders, but the door is a pain for bigger guys.  The biggest regret Dad, my brother, and I have right now is we did not get TRACKS.  Tires are good on solid ground and cement, and ride nicer, but the amount of work you can get done, and places you can go with a track machine is amazing.  Someone mentioned above that you need a heated shop for tracks, I think that can be debated.  Park it on plywood and scrape any mud out the the undercarriage if it is going to freeze if you don't have a shop.

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johnny skeptical
Posted 4/30/2017 11:09 (#5991538 - in reply to #5991098)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



n.c.iowa
ISO sucks.....

So does JD....

Edited by johnny skeptical 4/30/2017 11:09
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Crete
Posted 4/30/2017 11:22 (#5991577 - in reply to #5991538)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Badger State
Hmmm. Tell us how you really feel.
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Jim
Posted 4/30/2017 11:26 (#5991586 - in reply to #5991538)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Driftless SW Wisconsin

I bought a used JD250 for $10k, put a couple k into it at my JD dealer, added some weights in the back and have a very useful tool. It will lift 5x6 bales but not as stable as a larger skid steer would be.  One thing about JD is you generally have parts and service nearby.

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LNS8310
Posted 4/30/2017 11:31 (#5991597 - in reply to #5991538)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


N.C. Iowa

ISO sucks till you get used to it, then everything else does.

I was going to tell of my dislike of Case in my first post, but it is Sunday and didn't want to hurt the neighbors feelings, but I see someone convinced him to drink the tainted water.

Johnny, is your new one ISO?

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johnny skeptical
Posted 4/30/2017 11:38 (#5991610 - in reply to #5991597)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



n.c.iowa
H pattern or ISO.

Spent most of the day yesterday running (attempting to learn) it on ISO. Felt pretty proud of myself I only tore the facia off of the corner of one shed.....

I do know that ISO is pretty handy if you got a hankering to enjoy a beverage while operating.


I swear I only drink water from upon the "ridge".

Edited by johnny skeptical 4/30/2017 11:40
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LNS8310
Posted 4/30/2017 12:10 (#5991665 - in reply to #5991610)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


N.C. Iowa

Give it time, when we first got ours, Dad wanted to trade back to regular hand-foot controls.  I was sort of on board with the idea of going back to the old way also, but as time went on we all adjusted to iso.

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Abomb
Posted 4/30/2017 12:49 (#5991757 - in reply to #5991665)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


We got hand or foot in the bobcat, dad can't seem to move his feet around worth a dang to run it that way, I can't say I remember the last time I run it by foot. Personal preference I guess
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garvo
Posted 4/30/2017 12:48 (#5991754 - in reply to #5991610)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


western iowa,by Denison
johnny skeptical - 4/30/2017 11:38

H pattern or ISO.

Spent most of the day yesterday running (attempting to learn) it on ISO. Felt pretty proud of myself I only tore the facia off of the corner of one shed.....

I do know that ISO is pretty handy if you got a hankering to enjoy a beverage while operating.


I swear I only drink water from upon the "ridge".


Maybe its like getting a Yamaha 4cycle snowmobile-Hopefully you don't lose any more teeth-Johnny Skeptical!
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johnny skeptical
Posted 4/30/2017 17:57 (#5992405 - in reply to #5991754)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



n.c.iowa
Garvo, getting use to a four stroker was a lot easier than trying to teach myself to run ISO.
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Abomb
Posted 4/30/2017 12:53 (#5991773 - in reply to #5991098)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


I don't know how bad it would be but the dealer told us we wouldn't want tracks if we can't park it somewhere warm if we're in mud, and I know someone that's froze his up quite a bit. I'd get real tired of scraping mud off every time I worry about it freezing which is all the time the last few winters.
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LNS8310
Posted 4/30/2017 13:33 (#5991851 - in reply to #5991773)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


N.C. Iowa

Your right in the fact it can be a pain, heated shop is best.  Brother worked for a tiling business the guys would always go through the trouble to get the tracked skid loader going in the cold just to not have to use the wheeled skid.  I have helped a friend break his loose one day and it wasn't too bad, I just think back to how much more he can do with the tracked skid compared to ours.

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dt4020
Posted 4/30/2017 09:17 (#5991305 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Fairbury, NE (Southeast)
Ill be the odd duck and say set your budget for 30k and find a gently used wheel loader. Plenty to be had 15-20 years old in that price range. Lift more, way more cab room, way more visibility, way more durability, easier to service. only downside is less maneuverable in small areas. They are all high when they break down, but imo a 9k hour payloader is like a 3k hour skid in terms of lifespan.
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Sodbustr
Posted 4/30/2017 10:04 (#5991409 - in reply to #5991305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


Western Iowa
I agree 100%

Piss on a skid loader unless you have a tight shed to get into.
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johnny skeptical
Posted 4/30/2017 11:07 (#5991532 - in reply to #5991409)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



n.c.iowa
I'd agree on a wheel loader, was going to buy a new holland wheel loader but we had some height issues, and some tight areas we had to get into.

In addition they don't give those wheel loaders away either.
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hinfarm
Posted 4/30/2017 10:06 (#5991411 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



Amherst WI
I have no personal experience with them but the Volvo/ JCB loaders have been intriguing to me. Side entry so you can have a cab and leave the boom up if your working on something.

I do have personal experience with NH though. The L565 I have has been very good even with a ton of hours on it. The L175 is nice with the two speed but I have had more issues with it. One of my LL's has a L220 that I use to load hay out of his barn with and it is a very nice machine. Very smooth and very stable. With the two speed it does 12mph.
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arthur
Posted 4/30/2017 10:13 (#5991428 - in reply to #5991411)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


northeast iowa
We have a 450 case and a new case with tracks at work. Tracks are amazing but a used one in that range the tracks are prolly shot by now. They are both mini bulldozers. Never liked anything with foot controls. The 450 would have plenty of lift for you not sure if u could get one for 20,000 yet. We have an old gehl 2500 with t handles at the farm, I would like to upgrade also.
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sodbuster il
Posted 4/30/2017 11:37 (#5991609 - in reply to #5991428)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



have s300 bobcat had dealer work on it came back worst shape than when it went. contacted bobcat company they was not interested in working with me. Dealer said it was my problem after he messed it up.
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johnny skeptical
Posted 4/30/2017 17:55 (#5992402 - in reply to #5991609)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



n.c.iowa
Have a friend that's got kinda a odd situation with a not quite two year old bobcat s750 skid loader.

It's enough odd that we didn't even consider bobcat when we purchased our case.
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garvo
Posted 5/1/2017 05:12 (#5993249 - in reply to #5992402)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.


western iowa,by Denison
suggested I keep my300 bobcat-said theres lots of problems with the newer ones-the 250-300 seris is some of the best ones
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johnny skeptical
Posted 5/1/2017 05:43 (#5993260 - in reply to #5993249)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



n.c.iowa
garvo - 5/1/2017 16:12

suggested I keep my300 bobcat-said theres lots of problems with the newer ones-the 250-300 seris is some of the best ones


Yup,I'd agree. I think the only real problem with them was that the radiator seemed to plug kinda easy and was kinda hard to clean?
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JoeR
Posted 5/1/2017 07:31 (#5993406 - in reply to #5990305)
Subject: RE: Skid steer question or advice.



NW Iowa
I bought a well used NH L180 a few years ago, came from a couple of dairies (I was on a budget...). The thing has 5700 hours on it now, I put new rubber on it last spring. Lots of pins are wore, but still works fine. The thing runs like a champ. I can handle 5x6's easily and seed totes with it. It hates mud...but I broke down and bought a set of steel over the tire tracks this spring for it. Wow...I can pretty much go anywhere with it. Best of both worlds, tires and tracks when you need them. If I had to do it over again, I'd get an L185 (just a newer version, different motor). I've never really been a fan of the Bobcat, they seem too heavy in the rear end. The NH is a very well balanced machine, and does everything I need it to. I've ran a Deere before, not to impressed, never ran anything else, so take my comments for what they are worth...
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