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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 19:05 (#4426110)
Subject: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


NE SD
On a 2000 model 379, where would a relay for the cruise control be? It has to be under the dash somewhere. This truck is setup so that when the cruise system is turned on, the Jake brake will only work when you jab the brakes. The indicator light shows that the cruise system is on, but it does not work and the Jake brake activates as soon as you let off the throttle. We discovered that the indicator light has its own circuit feeding off the switch so we eliminated the chance of the switch being bad by swapping it out. We also replaced the clutch switch.

Now we are down to this. This is the air brake activated micro switch. It has two wires coming off of it. One of them is presumably a brake light activation wire. Where does the other one go? I can't seem to trace it under the dash after they cross the steering column. There has to be some sort of relay for the cruise system but where?



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Thud
Posted 3/2/2015 19:16 (#4426149 - in reply to #4426110)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


Near-north Ontario, French River
Two wires or three going to the air switch? If only two, then one is feeding power, the other goes to the lights. Sorry can't help you with the relay location, first guess would be the fuse panel though?
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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 19:27 (#4426208 - in reply to #4426110)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


NE SD
One wire going in, two coming out. There is nothing to do with the cruise control system in the fuse panel.
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a4t-1600
Posted 3/2/2015 19:48 (#4426288 - in reply to #4426110)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


Dearfield Co.
Without knowing what engine you have I would say that you might have just a brake light switch issue. Look under the hood for one on drivers side. It seems there might be more than one




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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 20:05 (#4426353 - in reply to #4426288)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


NE SD
Engine is a 3406E. The brake lights work properly.
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a4t-1600
Posted 3/2/2015 21:02 (#4426550 - in reply to #4426353)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


Dearfield Co.
Where you say you have to tag the brakes to get the jakes to work I might would think you aren't getting a good signal and the ecm still thinks its on cruise. I have never seen a cat with jake/cruise issues in the ecm but have seen some series 60s that did
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4WD
Posted 3/2/2015 21:13 (#4426581 - in reply to #4426550)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

The CAT ECM must be programmed to "Latch Mode" for jake operation when cruise control switch is in the "ON" position.

 

A: This is why the cruise doesn't work = thinks brake pedal is constantly being pushed down (depressed)

B: This is why the jakes are being constantly activated, too = thinks brake pedal is being pushed down (depressed) {When cruise SWITCH is ON}

 

He seems to be on the right track, in thinking it is a "brake" issue, that cause both problems.

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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 21:20 (#4426606 - in reply to #4426581)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


NE SD
Yes, the ECM is programmed that way, so that when the cruise is set to on, you have to jab the brake to engage the Jake brake. There are several trucks around here that I know of set the same way. That is why I think this is a brake issue. The Johnson bar does not appear to be the issue. We have been battling this for a while and finally decided to try to fix it.
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Offroadnt
Posted 3/2/2015 21:50 (#4426723 - in reply to #4426606)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


Southern Alberta Canada
It's programming, just take to your local Cat rigged dealer and have it "unlatched", the ECM is looking for a signal to engage the engine brake, lot's were delivered that way.
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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 21:53 (#4426733 - in reply to #4426723)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control?


NE SD
We don't want it unlatched. We want the cruise control to work again.
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4WD
Posted 3/2/2015 19:56 (#4426321 - in reply to #4426110)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

I'm guessing that you have an electronic engine, for the year 2000. There is a good chance, for its brake pedal ECM signal, it might just be using a simple air pressure switch, set at 3-5 psi that triggers an "Closed" circuit  "Open Circuit"   (with brake pedal depressed) = that tells the ECM, on the engine, that the brake pedal is depressed.

 

 It may not have anything to do with 12 volts DC ,at all. 

 It might just be "closing a circuit". "opening a circuit"

 

Hopefully, Bern will read this thread, and add more info.

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Edit: I am a little unsure , if this is the correct electrical engine schematic, for your engine. I do know it is for a CAT engine, that has a 70 pin design, ECM on it.{found photo of a schematic, on a PTO installation blog}

Notice what it shows for the brake pedal = closed circuit means brake pedal released. ( So, I assume, you must have a sensor, that is open, or broken wire, or some air pressure is telling OEM sensor to "open up" = thus it is "telling" ECM that the brake pedal is depressed)

 



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cutchall5
Posted 3/2/2015 21:10 (#4426570 - in reply to #4426321)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Jonesville, Mi
I agree about the ECM not knowing the brake pedal is released. Some trucks have a switch that makes contact when the brake pedal is all the way up. Try pulling the pedal up and see if it will work. Also make sure the clutch pedal switch is making contact with the pedal and it's being depressed with the pedal up. I'm almost positive the clutch isn't the problem being the jake is working. I would look for another air brake switch on the fire wall or under dash and and disconnect power to see if the cruise works. usually there is 2-3 of them, one for ECM, one for lights, and one for the buzzer. If you know anyone with a scanner they can plug it in and check the brake switch circuit for you easily and make sure it's that circuit that is causing you problems.
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a4t-1600
Posted 3/2/2015 21:39 (#4426686 - in reply to #4426570)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Dearfield Co.
My 99 has a brake switch on the drivers firewall spliced in a air line like someone hacked it in but its factory . It filled with water and froze for what ever reason and I had no cruse or jake. I would say the one you have found could be jumpered across or unhooked for another verification of it being not the switch. I can't remember if they are normally open or closed
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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 21:48 (#4426714 - in reply to #4426686)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


NE SD
Can you give us a somewhat specific location of that switch on the firewall? Our preferred shop told us that there may be another one like what you describe and we hunted for it for a long time today. He said they weren't always consistent about where they located this stuff from year to year, but maybe a 99 is close enough it will be similar.
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a4t-1600
Posted 3/2/2015 21:57 (#4426747 - in reply to #4426714)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Dearfield Co.
Well if you look down about a ft from the top of the firewall where the hood sets it will be in a bundle of plastic lines. On this truck it was pulled out of the rest of the lines so it could be changed making a loop in the line where it froze. its not hard to spot as its a rusty red colored bakelite. If the truck was here I would trace the wires
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cutchall5
Posted 3/2/2015 22:00 (#4426754 - in reply to #4426747)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Jonesville, Mi
Some of them were in a air manifold also but I believe those were newer trucks.

Edit: I looked at your picture again. there is 4 air switchs in your picture total, have you tried to track the other three down to see if one of them goes to the ECM?

Edited by cutchall5 3/2/2015 22:03
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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 22:14 (#4426791 - in reply to #4426754)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


NE SD
The one that is circled is the only one that is pressurized when you apply the brakes is why we narrowed it down to that particular switch. I think he said that one had power going through it. If I'm reading the wiring diagram correctly, the cruise system uses ground for signal, not power.

Edited by Chad H 3/2/2015 22:16
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4WD
Posted 3/2/2015 22:26 (#4426823 - in reply to #4426791)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

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Chad H
Posted 3/2/2015 22:02 (#4426764 - in reply to #4426747)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


NE SD
Are you saying its on the engine side of the firewall?
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cutchall5
Posted 3/2/2015 22:05 (#4426770 - in reply to #4426764)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Jonesville, Mi
Yes. Open hood and it's where the wires and airlines come through the fire wall into the engine compartment.
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a4t-1600
Posted 3/2/2015 22:05 (#4426771 - in reply to #4426764)
Subject: RE: 2000 Peterbilt 379 cruise control? (editted)


Dearfield Co.
yes
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4WD
Posted 3/2/2015 20:33 (#4426458 - in reply to #4426110)
Subject: Hey, is your trailer brake hand lever, pulled down a little?


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80
Just something to check
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P.P.Inc.
Posted 3/2/2015 23:41 (#4426932 - in reply to #4426458)
Subject: RE: Hey, is your trailer brake hand lever, pulled down a little?


Quincy, IL
A few months ago our cruise would not work. Figured out it was the clutch switch which is under the cab where the pedal goes through the floor. Peterbilt wanted $120 for the switch and wouldnt return a electric part so i cut the wire, but connected to complete the circuit and it worked fine except now the clutch doesnt deactivate the cruise
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Offroadnt
Posted 3/3/2015 07:55 (#4427306 - in reply to #4426932)
Subject: RE: Hey, is your trailer brake hand lever, pulled down a little?


Southern Alberta Canada
Not wise to run without a cruise switch on the clutch, it's just a micoswitch, you can get them at all truck shops, anyplace that sells pivots will have them and probably most industrial electric shops. http://www.digikey.ca/Web%20Export/Supplier%20Content/HoneywellSC_4...
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Chad H
Posted 3/3/2015 08:37 (#4427408 - in reply to #4427306)
Subject: RE: Hey, is your trailer brake hand lever, pulled down a little?


NE SD
The clutch switch was marked down to $47 from the Peterbilt dealer. Came in a Cat labelled box.
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