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Sunburst Montana | I just picked up a Gleaner AII and CII brochure from about 1964-66. Inside it lists the header options for both combines. On the CII you could get up to a 24ft grain header. According to the specs, a CII is just a wider A with a 40" wide cylinder and 48" wide separator. It has 93 hp and a 85 bu grain tank. Anybody ever seen a 24ft header on a CII. We had one neighbor with a CII and the header was no where near that big. Probably around 18'. I don't know about other areas but around here 24ft headers didn't show up until the JD 7700s, Gleaner Ls, and MF 750s. Even our 760 only had a 24ft header. Just thought it was amazing you could get a header that big on a combine that small.
Edited by Steiger Man 1/9/2015 17:47
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| Was the A11 C11 about the same size as the J D 95 and 105 ? They were built about the same time. I think I heard of a 24Foot 0n a 105 but I may be wrong about that. It's along time ago. If these machines were all being built about the same time and the same size I'm sure there were 24 foot headers out there. we used a 20 ft in soybean and spring wheat on a 105. |
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southern MN | They offered a 6-30 corn head for the F2 which is way huge as well. Not enough grain tank, aside from driving slow and just heavy on the machine.
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Sunburst Montana | I would put the CII closer to the 95. The 22ft header was the biggest you could get on a 105 during its production run. And that is what most 105s carried around here. Now if you put the JD aftermarket Intermediate Feederhouse on a 105 then you could use newer and bigger header. MF 510s initially were only available with a 20ft as the biggest although I think later on they offered a 24ft header. Biggest header you could get on a IH 503 was 20 1/2. All of these combines have more capacity then a CII. |
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| and of course the yields were not as great ! |
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Sunburst Montana | If you were to run a F2 with a 6 row or a CII with a 6 row in some of these corn contest plots, how many feet could the combine travel? |
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Statesville, NC | An acre of 6 rows 30" is 2904 feet, so if it was 300 bushel corn 968 feet and you would have 100 bushels. |
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| I believe our old CII book showed a 8 row corn head and an additional clean grain elevator. one of ours had the factory grain tank extensions and held about 120 bu. the 7700 that replaced was light years ahead. |
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NW Washington | If you were clipping the heads off of some 20 bu/ac dryland cereal crops those big header might be OK. As I remember some of the early SP combines were sized more for low yielding Great Plains cereal crops than grinding through a lot higher yielding and damp MOG in beans, wheat and corn in the cornbelt. |
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Sunburst Montana | Funny you say that. My neighbors that had the CII also ran a 7700 which was a gasser. Both combines were beyond wore out. My uncle got a job as a hired hand there and the first thing he had to do was put the CII back together because it was scattered all over the shop for an overhaul. |
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North mississippi | ive heard my father talk about 715s in the mississippi delta running 22.5s and 25 ft heads on them...he said he coulnt believe it since he was running a 13ft on one lol...he said they was in high cotton down there |
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | Massey advertised a 24' head for the 510's also. |
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South Dakota | We ran a 20 foot flex said on a straight F gleaner |
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Sanilac Co. Michigan | That CII Gleaner has a cylinder with the same dimensions as an M3 Gleaner! Of course the walkers and the shoe are the same width as the cylinder, though the length of the shoe and walkers are somewhat shorter than the M3. Though I'm pretty sure those 24' heads were meant for dryland wheat out west, that old CII had quite a bit of capacity packed into a very efficient package. Just imagine if it had an open concave and thresher raddle! Though slow, I think it will handle a 630 head in 100 bu. corn. |
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oklahoma panhandle | Back in 60s my uncle was a custom cutter with 8 C ll combines and they all had 20 foot headers. |
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Ripley, Ontario Canada | I ran a c2 with a 4x30 corn head and a 216 jd flex. I wouldn't want anymore, but that was in 120 b corn and 40 b beans and 80 b wheat. I had to upsize the lift cylinders to handle a 4 row corn head, can't imagine it would lift more. |
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southern MN | The F2 with a 4 row 38 would need to dump each end of the field when the corn ran good.
I had one area of odd field, the rows are just over 2000 feet. Couldn't make a 1/2 round unless some of that was drowned out...
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SE IL | My cousins ran a 30' 1020 on a 915 for years. They did alot of tinkering with it make her eat. I put a couple 100 hrs on it and i can tell you there wasnt much time to take a drink of pop. The hands were always busy lol |
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Sunburst Montana | Another neighbor of mine used to pick up 25ft swaths with a 715. They eventually quit using it because it was in the way of the bigger combines and the hired man got tired of clutching it through every decent spot in the field.. |
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Soutwest Ks. | I think we had a 20' head on our C2. Can remember the first year we raised corn and had the old 4 row 30" AC corn head and I remember commenting to people later that it seemed like that combine would only thresh one ear at a time! If I recall correctly was a real hard threshing Pioneer hybrid and you could almost feel every ear that went through. Before the C2 my dad had a pull type JD/Holt combine and I can't recall for sure but it had at least a 20' head. Keeping that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if you could buy a 24' on a C2. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | Dad laid eyes on a 1964 "low shaft" 24 foot header, to fit all C's and first year C2 many years back. He never bought it though... header was rather rough.
THe G's had up to a 23 foot available, dad saw quite a few of them.
Both were the lighter design with the small auger, so frame and auger damage was common due to "bulldozing" a terrace, etc.
Dad's Pet 1965 C2 with the factory turbo diesel and 6 speed transmission got out this year's harvest and combined a small field of 155 bushel barley, was doing about 1 mph, and it was loaded up pretty good. he runs a 14 foot header on it. So putting it in perspective, that is alot more material than say a 24 footer taking in 20-30 bushel grain on dryland wheat on the high plains.
Dad had some buddies at Burlington Colorado that had a fleet of three C2s running 6R30 cornheads, and if there was allways trucks, no breakdonws, etc. they could hammer out 1 full center pivot (120 acres) of 100-130 bushel corn per day. It was a long day, but they could do it.
Dad allways ran 6R30 heads on his G's when he had them in the fleet.
On the C2 and G, an 8 row 20 cornheader was available, but no OEM 8R30, unless a guy wanted to try to run a 8R30 Black frame A series head on a G.
As far as the F series, We have a FG630 (orange frame cornheader, 6 row 30 inch, to fit F and G Gleaner combines) that we can run on our F2s, and the "A" Series Black frame cornheaders were configurable to K's F's, G's, M's, and L's (K's were never bigger than 4 row to my knowledge) so a black frame 6R30 could also be rigged up on a F as well, and I suppose an 8 row on a G isnt impossible. The F series offered no bigger than a 20 foot platform for small grain.
Fellow NATer Robert Greif runs/ ran a 8r30 on his M2.
Keeping that all in mind, I am really surprised the L2 or L3 never offered bigger than a 24 footer, I suppose some of the reason is that they didnt want to take any glory from the just released transverse rotary N series. If they delayed the N series, I could easily see a 25 foot, or a 27 foot (Gleaner exclusive size) on the L2 in light crops. I think I have heard of someone Bish Plating a John Deere 30 foot platform onto a L2 or L3, and a few 25 foot drapers have found their way onto a L2 or L3. in the light Western KS/ Eastern CO crops, I am sure there is someone out there with a 230 or 930 on a 7720 or 9500. we have a friend with a 95 w/ the intermediate feederhouse, and he moved his 224 off his 7720 around the yard. couldnt lift it over 1 foot off the ground, so a little impractical. :)
to continue the "big head on a small combine, I am sure in our dryland corn, our N5 could run our new to us 12R30 Hugger, as while its a class 5, its just a de-tuned big chassis machine, so it has all the built in weight to handle the big heads, so with the optional big final drives (N6 finals) and N6/7 lift rams, I am sure it would handle the 12 row.
Gleaners have allways been a compact combine with huge capacity, a design feature extremely popular on the custom harvest trail, and nowadays, a real asset for a successful no-til program.
Edited by GM Guy 1/10/2015 01:31
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Heil Harvesting, Ulysses KS/Limon CO | 30' heads was not an uncommon set up in eastern NM at all. I am certain that dad will commandeer a 36' head from me/us/himself==whatever-- to run on an 860 down there if they grow a wheat crop again. |
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| A guy in my area once put a six row corn head on his 4400 JD. He crept along but the elevators just couldn't keep up.
the book for grandpa's AII shows some pretty wide headers [as well as a few ads for CIIs with 24' heads] and all have the solid bat reels and are shown in wheat country. I'm sure you could get by with wide heads in wheat if you were cutting just below the heads. In reality the 10 foot head was plenty for grandpa's AII |
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