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zmracing
Posted 7/14/2014 17:38 (#3967908)
Subject: Peak Corn


west central MN

What will the 10 year history of corn yields look like if we have a 165 or 170 yield in 2014? We will need to take out the 2004 yield and start with 2005 though 2014 to get a 10 year history. If you believe in peak corn and are currently marketing your crop believing in peak corn I think you need to make a chart for the years 2005 though 2014 and see if 10 years is enough history to actually predict a yield trend. I am not a believer in peak corn so I am not going to spend any time making a graph or chart to show those years but I do have to question it.

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Clay SEIA
Posted 7/14/2014 18:13 (#3967956 - in reply to #3967908)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn



I'm sure you can pick a set of crop seasons to generate just about whatever line you want to.  Remember USDA doing just that by throwing out the "anomaly" 2011 crop so they could draw their line pointing to a record 166 in 2012?   How do you account for going from 81 million planted acres for the 2004 crop to 91-97 million recently?   I will submit that there are simply too many problems with generating trendlines.  Rolling ten-year averages are a much more sensible approach.

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c-xr-1
Posted 7/14/2014 18:32 (#3967994 - in reply to #3967908)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


Houston,Tx

recently did some math AVERAGING, contrasting & comparing for yields over last 20 yrs

then, i broke last 10 in 2 halves.

results = avg yield over last 10 = about 150.9. ... '94-'03 avg = 132+
** '04-'08 yield avg slightly higher than last 5, so trend last 10 is flat to down, before 2014 yield. anything above 160 this yr will bump 10 yr trend ever so slightly up.

for those who don't think 30, 40 or 50 yrs is enough data for a trend, here is 147 yrs courtesy of NASS:

http://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/data/printable/E593C02F-7AB7-346B-B986-A4D3C0CA163B 

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dewgubbe
Posted 7/14/2014 18:37 (#3968003 - in reply to #3967994)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


Northeast Nebraska
What the h, e, double hockey sticks is peak corn anyways?
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Smooth Eddie
Posted 7/14/2014 19:13 (#3968054 - in reply to #3968003)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


Northwest Washington
I believe it's the top of the corn bin
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Greenstart
Posted 7/14/2014 19:42 (#3968130 - in reply to #3968003)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


West Manchester Ohio
Guess I don't spend enough time reading on here. I want to know what it is too. (Btw - Good one eddy)
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zmracing
Posted 7/14/2014 21:41 (#3968460 - in reply to #3968003)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


west central MN

There has been a poster on this site that has stated for a couple of years that we have reached peak corn and the yield will not be going any higher. He seems to have a lot of people that believe him. He is only using the last 10 years of yields to try to prove his claim of peak corn.

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jocoshar23
Posted 7/14/2014 22:03 (#3968522 - in reply to #3968460)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


SE IA
I don't know if I believe it, but there are some valid points. As fringe acres increase production, yield isn't as good.

Another point I see is large operations that have went to continous corn to make 400 plus rent work, the acres don't yield worth squat when the root worms have eaten through the crop, or extra acres don't allow these large farmers the time to get acres sprayed timely losing yield.

Some valid points I agree with but not sure if it is enough to slow and stop corn yields from going higher.
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Big Ben
Posted 7/14/2014 23:10 (#3968688 - in reply to #3968460)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA
zmracing - 7/14/2014 19:41

There has been a poster on this site that has stated for a couple of years that we have reached peak corn and the yield will not be going any higher. He seems to have a lot of people that believe him. He is only using the last 10 years of yields to try to prove his claim of peak corn.



I thought it had more to do with the idea of peak production than just yield. Basically if price is high, all kinds of fringe areas get planted, yield isn't as good, and total production doesn't really get especially high. If corn price is low, drop the fringe out, national yield may set new records, but total production drops or stays the same at best. Throw in factors that will cause less production in the future like resistant weeds, or loss of good dirt down the river or under fresh concrete, and you get Peak Corn theory.

Or something like that.
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zmracing
Posted 7/14/2014 23:21 (#3968698 - in reply to #3968688)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


west central MN

He came out with peak yield first and then changed it to peak production after that.

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Illinois Steve
Posted 7/15/2014 07:06 (#3968909 - in reply to #3968698)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


North Central Illinois
Yes, that is exactly what he did. Funny though, those that believe anything he says don't seem to like to acknowledge the very quiet shift in his theory. At any rate Peak Corn is absolute nonsense.
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c-xr-1
Posted 7/14/2014 18:36 (#3968001 - in reply to #3967908)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


Houston,Tx
...and what does yield mean without ac? to get total production - then you gotta account for demand -- does it ever stop?
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GrainTrader
Posted 7/14/2014 22:06 (#3968537 - in reply to #3968001)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn



20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana
c-xr-1 - 7/14/2014 18:36

...and what does yield mean without ac? to get total production - then you gotta account for demand -- does it ever stop?


That is a valid point.... if fringe acres Dont get planted to corn next year then the national average shield should theoredically go up due to a higher percentage of those acres being the higher aph acres.... yet total bushels should go down...

Lower prices should also in theory keep $'s from being spend on many of those acres to reach "top end yields". ($5-6 corn promotes every bushel possible, while $3.50-4.50 corn doesn't) some are already talking about not spending $'s on late season fungicide because those bushels will only gain then $3.65per vbushel, while crop insurance will pay $4.65.....
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Mlebrun
Posted 7/15/2014 06:55 (#3968887 - in reply to #3968537)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


SW MN and Gold Canyon AZ
Peak corn marketing doesn't take into effect that world supplies of corn and wheat are
Burdensome .. Thus peak corn yields has little effect on price .. It's all about supply ..like I said back a year ago, perma bulls cannot market in down trending years.over time down trends last longer then uptrends. One must be nuetral and look at both sides. I have seen many MT farmers come and go
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Sat
Posted 7/15/2014 07:21 (#3968935 - in reply to #3968887)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


Buxton ND
"Peak Corn Marketing" we could just as well call it "PCV Pipe Marketing" There's more to the corn market then looking down a PVC pipe and seeing a cob of corn that may or may not have been planted in 2013 or may or may not have been drowned out in 2014 in northern Iowa.

Yes that was blunt sorry,and sorry Iowa guys you dont mean as much to the corn market as you once did. Look at the world numbers in the last report..............
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Mlebrun
Posted 7/15/2014 07:23 (#3968941 - in reply to #3968935)
Subject: RE: Peak Corn


SW MN and Gold Canyon AZ
World numbers are key to price ,both corn an wheat.. There is plenty of both!
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