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Posted 6/25/2013 20:03 (#3174296)
Subject: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”



NC Iowa

 

These have less than 1,200 acres on them and at least 7 of the are “Cracked and Broken” Two of them are Gone.  Don’t worry John Deere, I will find them I am sure,  with a tire!!  Had 17 Cracked ones Last year and Dealer said they “Had a Bad Batch”.  They never did anything for those so I won’t ask on these.  Easier to just buy elsewhere

What Brand should I go with?

John Deere 980 

Sweep


Lost Sweep





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pharmer79
Posted 6/25/2013 20:12 (#3174318 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


EC WisconsiN
They are warrantying this batch. BUT will not give you nuts and bolts. Told them not my problem, you decide if you want my future business over some nuts and bolts. I have had problems with more than 9. Made in Mexico don't mean what it used to
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Maple Leaf
Posted 6/25/2013 20:13 (#3174324 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


I had a new cultivator last year with knock-on sweeps and had same cracking problem and was told same thing "Bad Batch" and same service as you. I bought a new batch this spring and have not had an issue so I will keep buying from Deere for now. I also have a Sunflower cultivator where the sweeps don't crack just wear out alot faster then the one from Deere. I know you can buy cheaper sweeps but remember you get way you pay for and I am not crazy about having to change sweeps twice as much.
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craigseia
Posted 6/25/2013 20:17 (#3174340 - in reply to #3174318)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


fairfield ia
Gave us warranty on the whole machine, but said that the new batch had no warranty if you put them on with an impact. Good luck with proving that was my thought.
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150 farmer
Posted 6/25/2013 20:27 (#3174366 - in reply to #3174324)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Pontiac, IL.
We have been using Nichols sweeps for years, Last about 1 1/2 times as long as Deere and a little bit cheaper. (I think)--- not sure on price, cause not using Deere anymore,
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69roadrunner
Posted 6/25/2013 20:28 (#3174368 - in reply to #3174324)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


North of Iowa
John Deere sweeps are not worth putting on, they are junk.
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Cyjd
Posted 6/25/2013 20:30 (#3174374 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: RE: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Good luck with Nichols knock offs
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Isaiah
Posted 6/25/2013 20:36 (#3174384 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: RE: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


NWOH
CYJD...you mind explaining what you mean by that comment.
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bakerna4
Posted 6/25/2013 20:38 (#3174390 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Waldron, MI
Unless that's a 60' field cultivator I think you should feel pretty good getting 1200 acre out of sweeps. I don't think we get half that with a 30'. I've used Nichols and Deere and in my experience the Deere last longer.
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MGfarms12
Posted 6/25/2013 20:39 (#3174391 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


South Western, IL
Nicholas shovels here too....
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150 farmer
Posted 6/25/2013 20:41 (#3174396 - in reply to #3174374)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Pontiac, IL.
I was wondering the same thing. Was that a sarcastic comment. or a truthful one??? FWIW we use the bolt ons.
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tj_farmer
Posted 6/25/2013 20:42 (#3174402 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: RE: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


NW central IL
i think im running nichols ultra wings now. seem to be holding up well
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150 farmer
Posted 6/25/2013 20:52 (#3174429 - in reply to #3174390)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Pontiac, IL.
HOW can someone say how many acres they get on a set. Is this an average?? We probably go through 2 or 3 shovels behind the tractor wheels to 1 shovel where there is no wheel track.
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wbstofer
Posted 6/25/2013 21:12 (#3174504 - in reply to #3174402)
Subject: RE: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


North Central IN
+2 on Nichols
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deere8400
Posted 6/25/2013 21:16 (#3174523 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


NORTHERN IOWA
never had a problem with jd on 980
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Dennis SEND
Posted 6/25/2013 21:18 (#3174529 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”



I got a new 50' 2210 and put 1/2 Nichols ultra wings on and the other 1/2 and almost identical sweep that CFC Distributors is selling both wore excellent actually can't say either one is better than the other but the ones from CFC do have a slight price advantage and they are made in the USA. Another thing I found unusually was every sweep is wearing almost identical, I could take them all off throw them in a pile and you would never be able to figure out which ones came from wheel tracks, I had always been running Deere perma-locks before and these are wearing much better went over about 1800 acres and for the first 1000 conditions were pretty dry and they still wore very well, I would say there is about 50% of the sweep left, however I am assuming the second 1/2 will go faster but none the less they are still doing very well vs the Deere ones I ran before. These are the first time I have not wore out at least 2 shovels in the wheel tracks vs the rest of the FC but it is also my first season pulling the FC with a Quad Trac so maybe there is something to the reduced compaction from the Quad Trac vs a wheeled tractor.

Edited by Dennis SEND 6/25/2013 21:21
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mac4440
Posted 6/25/2013 21:25 (#3174560 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: RE: others do it too....



I've had ones on a CIH do the same thing. Found two laying in the field a week ago, they were shiny and caught my eye. Also have a DMI TM II that has 2 or 3 cracked ones on it now. Too much impact wrench?

Edited by mac4440 6/25/2013 21:30
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TMX864
Posted 6/25/2013 21:37 (#3174601 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Michigan
U guys make me sick!!! We are crawling under our 50' sunflower every 150 acres, or less if its dry, changing shovels. I would think I've died and gone to heaven if we got 1000 acres a set!
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JT_4_JD
Posted 6/25/2013 21:49 (#3174642 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: RE: Ultra sweeps


Nebraska
They wear even unlike the Deere sweeps and little to no cracks. Deere sweeps narrow as they wear.
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krantz
Posted 6/25/2013 21:58 (#3174671 - in reply to #3174642)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


NM
I get about 4 seasons ( 2 years ) on my 30' 726. About a thousand acres per season.
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SEMN John
Posted 6/25/2013 22:04 (#3174696 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: RE: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Hayfield, MN

FWIW...

I know it's JD shovels on a JD digger, but, take a look at your shanks, and compare the mounting area to that of the shovels (the area where the shank contacts the shovel)...do they look like a good fit?   I've had the same problem with CNH sweeps (7") on our 30' wilrich.  I'm thinking the problem is that the surface of the shank is nearly flat across, and the shovel has a bit of a curve to it, so when you crank them on, there's a bunch of strain.

We did have one 7" ultrawing laying around, and it is apparent they have a similar curvature in the shovel, BUT the area around the bolt hole has a lip (1/16" maybe?) that would take the strain of torquing the bolts.  Problem solved?  We'll know more next spring when I get around to further inspection and probably replacing most (if not all) the sweeps.  Shame to pitch 'em with only ~500 acres.

Like I said, FWIW.

John 

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beachfarmer
Posted 6/25/2013 22:23 (#3174748 - in reply to #3174601)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


North Central MN
No kidding! We're lucky to get 150 out of a sweep.
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senorthdakota
Posted 6/25/2013 22:28 (#3174757 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Ultra wings is what we use.
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bakerna4
Posted 6/25/2013 22:41 (#3174786 - in reply to #3174429)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Waldron, MI
That is true its hard to say what how long a set will run. I was just generalizing. We never change all of them at the same time. Seem the fronts wear faster than the rears and wheel tracks make them worse too. 1200 acres just seems like a lot to run on a set to me. I'm sure soil type effects this greatly.
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Tired of Working
Posted 6/25/2013 23:06 (#3174827 - in reply to #3174757)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Central Sask. RM#254, Canada
Has anyone figured out how many acres you get PER SHOVEL ?? Makes a big difference if one machine is 30ft. and the other one is 60 or 84 ft. You get more wear on 30 shovels doing 1000 acres than 60 of them on same 1000 acres...Also the wider the machine the more efficient it is because of less overlaps ... At least that's how I was taught to figure it. Try doing 1000 acres with a 12ft cultivator behind a John Deere D. That's what I started on when I was 9 years old , it was all I could do to snap that hand clutch in and out.... SEEMED like a fun job for the first summer...
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eight
Posted 6/25/2013 23:25 (#3174859 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


South Texas
150 acres on a 50'? That's what, 4 hours?
Think I get about 4000 acres out of a set on a 38', still don't even make one oil change on the tractor.
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jgry
Posted 6/26/2013 00:11 (#3174899 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”



Argyle, MN
The nock-ons had a batch that would crack too. I put on 10 and found 3 cracked ones laying in the field. I returned all that I had left and they gave me new ones, hopefully from a different batch. No impact wrench used to install them.
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Cyjd
Posted 6/26/2013 06:37 (#3175036 - in reply to #3174384)
Subject: RE: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


nichols knock off sweeps....clip type not bolt
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ks8780
Posted 6/26/2013 06:57 (#3175075 - in reply to #3174601)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”



Jewell County KS
TMX864 - 6/25/2013 20:37

U guys make me sick!!! We are crawling under our 50' sunflower every 150 acres, or less if its dry, changing shovels. I would think I've died and gone to heaven if we got 1000 acres a set!



So you change sweeps once a day???? I think I'd use something besides a feild cultivator or find some better dirt. LOL
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Itchy
Posted 6/26/2013 07:01 (#3175084 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: RE: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


SW Iowa
I thought you were supposed to trade it for new when the sweeps wore out. But, I run CIH, so that "earth metal" is tough stuff.
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TMX864
Posted 6/26/2013 09:26 (#3175314 - in reply to #3175075)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


Michigan
ks8780 - 6/26/2013 06:57

TMX864 - 6/25/2013 20:37

U guys make me sick!!! We are crawling under our 50' sunflower every 150 acres, or less if its dry, changing shovels. I would think I've died and gone to heaven if we got 1000 acres a set!



So you change sweeps once a day???? I think I'd use something besides a feild cultivator or find some better dirt. LOL


Yep. Usually every morning when fueling we will change some, id say about 30%. 150 is the average. Some areas we will run 300 acres and shovel will be ok. We also have fields that when the cultivator shows up after 150 acres there aren't any shovels left on about half the machine. And I mean that literally. Sand, stones, and dry soil wear stuff out. Chisel plow points are the same way. Every day and a half were changing them. Wish they'd make knock on 4" twisted shovels.
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EbertFarms
Posted 6/26/2013 16:23 (#3175825 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


had the same issue, dealer covered them under warranty, no issues at all since.
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redfarm
Posted 6/27/2013 07:30 (#3176906 - in reply to #3174296)
Subject: Re: John Deere Field Cultivator Sweeps “Suck”


N. IL
Switched from CIH OEM sweeps to Nichols. Seems like 2x more life. We had to replace the OEM CIH halfway through spring last year. New Nichols this spring ran full season and good part of next year by the way they look.

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