|
|
Pasco WA. | Left two plants were sprayed with Verdict, Roundup, and Atrazine premerge. Right two were sprayed with Roundup, Status, and Atrazine post emerge. Same tillage and fertilizer program. Every pivot I sprayed with Verdict looks terrible. From decent looking corn to dead patches in the same field. All of my post emerged sprayed corn looks good. Both Roundup and Impact programs. I was told that the Verdict was supposed to be safe on the corn. Notice the lack of brace roots. The verdict pivots also are yellow and can't seem to pick up the fertilizer. Anyone else seeing problems?
Edited by Jay in WA 6/2/2012 14:25
 (2012-06-01_15-32-24_697 [1600x1200].jpg)
Attachments
----------------
 2012-06-01_15-32-24_697 [1600x1200].jpg (82KB - 95 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
| the stacking of nodes on your left can happen with verdict. WHat is your organic matter and app rate? |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | 11 oz. Organic is about 1% |
|
| |
|
| Uh I don't know who told you that be ok but I would pry find another advisor in your area. Less than 1% OM and verdict is just asking for it. Your symptoms are normal for verdict injury. Good news is if you ground apply fungicide you will have no trouble with clearance. Stacking nodes happens but just stacked nodeds won't hurt your yield. 3 years ago we saw it and there was no effect on yield. Saying that doesn't mean you may now see a yield less than 1% OM is a problem. |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | The reps were promoting verdict at the winter meetings. We have sand here and they know it. |
|
| |
|
Tip of the Thumb of Michigan | Had a friend see what they thought was Verdict injury. It just was'nt coming up and leafing out underground. None of the other corn had trouble. They loved it last year. |
|
| |
|
NW Missouri | BASF reps...surely not. |
|
| |
|
| Corn leading can be a sign of injury from any acetamide like guardsman, keystone, harness, etc.... Which can happen with verdict but generally not the outlook (acetamide) rates in it are low. What this is from the sulfacinel. |
|
| |
|
| College degrees can't replace experience always remember that when taking advice from anyone. I hope the product doesn't hurt you too bad it's an excellent product but probably not for your ground. |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | The BASF rep claimed that Verdict had been used in the area last year with good results. Claimed it was crop safe and nothing to worry about. If the low organic matter issue is known he should have warned us considering that this are is primarily sand with low organic matter. Looks to me like the rep has some explaining to do. |
|
| |
|
North Central Illinois | What rate did you apply it at Jay? I am with Bugkiller, I believe your OM is way too low for this product. Unfortunately the label doesn't do a real good job of conveying the importance of OM with this product. As long as you used less than 12 oz. it is on label. Anything over 12 oz. is off label with that kind of OM. They say not to use Verdict on sorghum with less than a 1.5% OM. Sorghum and corn are pretty similar in many ways and I'm surprised they would label it for corn at any rate with an OM of 1%. Unfortunately the chemical rep can claim it is on label so he did nothing wrong. He should know better. The good news is it shouldn't knock your yield too bad. One other thing. What is fertility and PH like on this ground? |
|
| |
|
| If you think verdict label is shaky the old integrity label I think was wrote by a 1 st grader. |
|
| |
|
North Central Illinois | LOL! |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | 11 oz. PH is in the high 7's. Fertility is good. In fact the in row N levels are high because of the planter band and the strip till band.
I used to run into this kind of thing with alfalfa chemicals. The label and reps left out a lot of important info that we needed. Had to learn the hard way and not make that mistake again. I am never using Verdict again. Going back to my standard method of not applying any chemical until the corn is up and growing. I feel that our long cold springs make any potential chemical injury more likely. There have also been some drift issues with Verdict in this area. The rep now says do not use it near an orchard. It's just a chemical that is not suited to this area. Too bad the rep misrepresented it. Depending upon how the yield turns out they may wish they hadn't. |
|
| |
|
North Central Illinois | Yeah Verdict is a good product but not for your situation. Your PH levels could aggravate the problem along with your cooler springs probably don't help either. I hope things work out for you. |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | The good thing is that I am fully irrigated so the corn won't have to root deep. I just wish the chemical company would tell us this stuff before we have to find out the hard way. |
|
| |
|
SWOH | I'd give the rep a call and have him come out and look at it....maybe he doesn't know any better and this will be a learning experience for him.... |
|
| |
|
| The school of hard knocks unfortunately anymore in cooperate America is the only school. NAT is a great info source if you would have asked earlier about this and posted your ph an organic matter this could have been avoided long before the fact. Keep us up to date on the issue the more info that's posted the smarter everyone will get. Good luck. |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | The rep has already been out. Need to see how the yield turns out now. |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | Do you have any links to sites that adress the OM and PH issues with Verdict. I have not been able to find any. I would like to have some hard info to show my fieldman. |
|
| |
|
| cdms.net is where you can view the label. there are very few pics on the net of verdict damage. Yours may become famous! |
|
| |
|
Pasco WA. | If the label was worth the paper it was written on I would not have this problem. |
|
| |
|
| I know believe me there are people watching hopefully they see this thread and change some things like the carrier vine thing, 10 needs to come off. The soil type restrictions need some work for sure. Like I said before its a good product but just not for you. |
|
| |
|
Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | Where exactly was the rep talking when you refer to "this area"? A dairy here has used Verdict the last two years with good results, but did mention that applicators are no longer willing to spray it anywhere near an orchard. I guess if it's an OM issue, the dairy will be fine since they seem to apply about 35 tons of manure per acre per year...
|
|
| |
Verdict Injury
