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| I have started looking for an air seeder to replace our press wheel drills that are showing their age. Is the 1850 air seeder the same ground unit as the 750, and the 1890 as the 1690? There is usually a significant age difference between 1850s and 1890s, and the 1890s start at about twice the money.
I understand the difference in the closing wheel with the bearing, and understand that there are some kits out there. My question is along the lines of this- Am i better off buying an 1850 in decent condition, and update it to the newer style parts as things wear out, or spend the money and start with an 1890. I rather enjoy fixing machinery during the off season, but field reliability is important.
It seems on the 750s that a number of people have replaced the firming wheels with the narrower SDX wheels, replaced the closing arms with new arms, bearings, and wheels, the boots are a wear item, the disks are a wear item, the bushings have kits out there to rebuild the casting. Does all this go away with the 1890 style ground parts? (except the wear items, of course)
Our acres are going up significantly in 2013, and we would like to be able to speed up the planting. Wheat and soybean rotation. I would like to run the air seeder next year to figure it out and debug it before we add the extra acres. |
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| There are three families of these drills. 750 box drills used same ground engaging components as 1850 air. Next came 1560 box drills and 1860 air. Major change was a two piece boot that allowed cheaper replacement when worn. Problem was they had alingnment problems and would not plant as well as 50 series. 1590 box and 1890 air went back to one piece boot and there have been many 60 series drills updated to 90 series openers. 1690 drill is a 90 series with single rank air 15 inch row spacing. CCS drills are self contained seed hopper air delivery drills. The double rank drills have all been built in both seven and a half inch and ten inch spacing. 1590 box and 1990 air are current models. |
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| Thanks for the reply. Basically, I can use all of the information in the 750 threads for 1850 information, and the 1690 for the 1890. Haven't seen any 1860s around, must have been a lull in buying activity or they weren't in production long (I know there were a lot of negative comments about the two piece boots).
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S.E. Michigan | I read in here one day that parts for the 787 cart that goes with the 1850 was hard to get parts for. Especially the blower fan. FWIW |
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| Get the 1890, they've been out for a number of years, and you want the newer drill, as you mention you have some acres to cover. Don't skimp on your drill. |
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ok | I absolutely love my 1890ccs. I cover somewhere in the neighborhood of 2800 acres per year. 30' 7.5" Would love a bigger one, but that means a bigger tractor, and I have no money.. lol Thanks to the worst crop I have ever had. Gonna be a LONG winter. |
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NW Washington | I second the 1890 model and find a good one that does not need a lot of work on the openers. These are good drills but they have a lot of moving parts and maintenance can become an issue.
A hoe type air seeder is a lot easier and less expensive to maintain. |
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North Central Kansas | how many ponies does that 1890 need to pull it?
how about the hyd unit on the tractor?
One of those would be great, but doubt my 846 Versi would have the ..... to do it. 230 hp, but little week on hyd.
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| Here is what I found for horsepower requirements:Tractor RequirementsNOTE: Tractors with additional horsepower are required when operating with additional machine attachments or when seeding in soft seedbeds and rolling ground. Machine Size | PTO Horsepower (Minimum) |
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9.1 m (30 ft.) | 168 kW (225 hp) | 186 kW (250 hp) | 11.0 m (36 ft.) | 186 kW (250 hp) | 205 kW (275 hp) | 12.2 m (40 ft.) | 224 kW (300 hp) | 242 kW (325 hp) | 12.8 m (42 ft.) | 224 kW (300 hp) | N/A | 13.1 m (43 ft.) | N/A | 280 kW (375 hp) | 15.2 m (50 ft.) | 280 kW (375 hp) | N/A | 18.3 m (60 ft.) | 336 kW (450 hp) | N/A |
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| bharzman - 9/10/2011 21:17 how many ponies does that 1890 need to pull it? how about the hyd unit on the tractor? One of those would be great, but doubt my 846 Versi would have the ..... to do it. 230 hp, but little week on hyd. There's an aftermarket kit to add an extra hydraulic pump on older Versatile tractors, etc. Can't recall the name now -- seems like it was a Sask company. |
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| we have worked on a lot of deere drills in our shop and the newer ones have a lot of the same problems as the older ones. W e use some repair parts from www.hizeyfarmservicellc.com to fix deeres short falls. |
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NC Kansas | we pull our 30' 1850/787 with a 946 versy...3+ seasons and hydraulic capacity hasn't caused any problems yet... You do have to modify a few things to get the active down pressure to work correctly and plumb in a couple return/dump lines but nothing too major. Our fan speed does drop considerably when you raise up to turn around but you shouldn't be blowing product down the tubes with the drill raising/lowering either. the 946 has plenty of ponies...but I personally wouldn't want anything less than about 225hp...depending on what kinda ground you farm and how steep you farm. |
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North Central Kansas | <p>how about hp for the ccs units? since there is less weight to pull around, how would they be?<br /><br />I looked on JD's web page for that, but I did not see it. Now I may have been blind.<br /><br />Somewhere I read that a guy is pulling a 42 footer with a 946. And thought it pulled just right, to a bit soft on corners. So I thought hmmm would and 846 be able to do 30 footer? I would have liquid on too.</p>
Edited by bharzman 9/14/2011 07:23
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1890 vs 1850 air seeders
