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chris4440
Posted 4/1/2011 09:10 (#1702506)
Subject: paint with claer coat help


kirby,Ohio

I got a job coming up where a owner of a 7520 4 wd tractor he wants me to paint it and when done put clear coat on it. What I am running in to is me and him are fighting with is that he what's to use john Deere paint and then clear coat. I have painted a lot of tractors and a corn planter and I wanted to put clear coat on the tractors and planter, but the body shop guy I know really well said you can't put clear coat on paint from the equipment dealer because you mix harder up it is same as clear coat he said. So my cuz said a guy he knows done that to his tractor with no trouble but I never see the tractors that the guy painted his tractors and then clear coat I just only know from what my cuz said. So what I am asking can you use clear coat on equipment dealer paint? Because I have painted our 4020 and my 4440 and just got done painting a farmall M for a guy. Oh can someone help me on how to upload pictuers on to the massages too?


Edited by chris4440 4/1/2011 09:10

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easymoney
Posted 4/1/2011 09:17 (#1702526 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


ecmn
if you run with john deere paint and there hardner you wont need any clear coat. i have a cousin that is a very good painter but not experienced with john deere paint, gave me some fancy wet look clear coat to use, it fish eyed bad. the factory paint with hardener doesnt seem to like other companys clear coat. i am sure you could find some out there but after repainting several tractors and dozens of hoods with factory paint and there hardner with no clear coat i personally am not concerned about it.
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mmaddox
Posted 4/1/2011 09:23 (#1702533 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


With so many of the new paints, you have to look at a system. Primer/sealer/surfacer, paint (basecoat), and clear (if used), all have to be compatible. It's become a lot more difficult to get all the components to work together. You really have to keep you wits about you. Should you proceed with his wishes, you need to make sure he understands that he is taking the risk on things going well. I would NOT attempt to clear just any base coat, especially tractor and implement paint.
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mdnelson86
Posted 4/1/2011 09:25 (#1702539 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


Paxton, IL
I've never dealt with factory paint but i've repainted several cars and trucks. sounds like the factory is using acrylic enamel (single stage paint) which is not designed to use a clear coat. I've put a clear coat over a couple acrylic enamel jobs and it turned out fine....didn't really add anything other than a layer of protection if you ask me. I know some paint formulations don't get along with each other so I'd follow the directions on the can (or data sheet)

A two stage urethane paint job (base/clear) tends to be far more forgiving as far as application and fixing any mistakes (runs, orange peel, misc) and also tends to look a bit better (depending on painters skill of course) but it is also more expensive.
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Larry806
Posted 4/1/2011 09:38 (#1702565 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: RE: paint with claer coat help


North Central Ohio
I've never done clear on JD paint but have done it over IH 2150 several times with no problems .
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twraska
Posted 4/1/2011 09:42 (#1702568 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: RE: paint with claer coat help


Wallis, TX
I wouldn't use clearcoat, it is too hard to get everywhere and get a shine. We use single stage 2K Urethane from DuPont on 95% of our restorations. Shines great, relatively easy to use, very durable and can be touched up with a brush and still look OK. JD yellow 263 is a perfect match, 262 is classic green(the darker green on 2 cylinders). We use G191 for new JD green, not perfect, but real close. G188 will also be very close but will be a little 'limey' when compared to a new tractor.

Like others have said, is a 'system'. We use epoxy primer, sandable 2k urethane on the sheetmetal and then the top coats. Don't try to put the urethane top coat over enamel primer, about half the time the solvents in the top coat will take the primer off or make cottage cheese of it.

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pontithad
Posted 4/1/2011 11:10 (#1702724 - in reply to #1702568)
Subject: Re: paint with clear coat help



Central MO
I Agree with twraska. A single stage is just as tough as a clear coat and much easier to paint in all the nooks and crannies around a tractor. When I do clear it is usually just the hood, and fenders. I love the 262 color even on the newer tractors but it is a little darker than the new factory color (but to me its an improvement) Also I have cleared over Deere paint before that had no hardener it, it was a bad experience it was 3-4 weeks before we could spray a test panel that didn't start to bubble and crinkle. We ended up spraying the hood and fenders after about a month of dry time and it looked good at that point but I wouldn't do it again.

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tommyw-5088
Posted 4/1/2011 11:14 (#1702728 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


Central Texas , York Rife Freemason
Use hardner in the john deere paint ,put the clear on while the john deere paint is still a little bit tacky ,I would say spray the last coat of the deere paint ,wait 1-2 hours ,spray the clear .

Use a good clear like PPG .
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kritzy
Posted 4/1/2011 17:00 (#1703121 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


red river valley se of fargo
Ive had great results using clear over JD branded paint. Just do hood and parts. Don't try to do frame, engine, tranny. One thing I've always wanted to try (but never had the guts to) is to clear after putting the decals on.
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redgreenandrust
Posted 4/1/2011 19:13 (#1703235 - in reply to #1703121)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


thumb of michigan
Clear after decals is a real no-no! It could craze the clear or lift or crack the decals. It will come off in pieces after a bit too.
I second what Tommy said. I am not a fan of clear on tractors however as it is too hard to do a repair, and if it used for real farming it will need a repair now and then.
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jcwag
Posted 4/1/2011 20:24 (#1703340 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


Upstate Ny
we painted a john deere this year using john deere paint and thinner then went over the top with napa clear coat with no problems. do not clear over decal as it will not stay on.
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chris4440
Posted 4/4/2011 14:38 (#1708046 - in reply to #1702506)
Subject: Re: paint with claer coat help


kirby,Ohio
<p>Thanks for the help... I think my self I use hardener with the dealer paint. I have been painted for about 15 years. But that was are own stuff. I didn't paint for other people stuff intel 2000. But I always done what people wanted done when they wanted there tractors painted so I kinda knew and was told not to use it but that was when I started but when I told him it can't be done, but he said it can be done then my cuz said a guy he works with at a John Deere dealer said he done it. But I never seen the guy tractor so that why I wanted to ask to see if I am right or if he was right. I now have 2 tractors to paint and a sprayer. So my other ? Is how do I upload pictures on here to show what I have paint not using the clearcoat. But I have no clue so what do I need to do to upload a picture? first is our 1968 John deere 4020 painted last year , a friend of mind 1941 farmall M painted this year, 3 years ago i paint a 1967 John deere 4020 for a guy, same year i painted my 1978 John deere 4440, and then last year i rebuilt and painted my krause disc just some of my work</p>

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