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| I have a concord 4010 with a 10" spacing and 10"sweep and I am looking into a JD 1820 air hoe seeder with 7.5 inch spacing. Are their any problems with the 1820 any one has come across? I really like the way the concord seeds with that 10" sweep and 10" spacing, and I'm just not sold on the 7.5 spacing with the deere. I was thinking of going with a 7" sweep with a seed boot with 7.5 inch spacing on the JD 1820. I am in sticky clay soil. Anyone had any residue flowing problems with the 1820 7.5 inch spacing? I would be seeding spring wheat with it and soybeans. Any thoughts or experience with the 1820 would be helpful. Are they heavy enough to handle direct seeding? I am looking to do a little tillage when seeding and I don't mind breaking up the soil. I am worried about residue flow, and if the 7.5 inch spacing is just too narrow.
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Rivers, MB | My understanding is that any of the 5 section 1820's that are 45' and bigger have had some fairly serious issues with frame cracking and breaking. Make sure that it has had all the updates on the frame done. One of the updates involved many lbs of gussets and approx 40 hours of welding time to stiffen up the frame. Apparantly it solved the problem but has caused something else to be the weakest link. Many things that I like about those drills but the frame issues have kept us away from one. I'm sure there are many that are using them with great success but it is something to watch for. I would think that you would need a row of harrows to cover the seed behind the sweeps before the packer went over the seed. Cousin has an 1810 on 7.5 spacing and his residue clearance seems to be pretty good. He doesn't use sweeps though. 1810 and 1820 are very similar machine. The 1810 can either have harrows or packers and the machine lifts like a cultivator rather than a drill where the machine weight is directly on the packers.
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Anamoose, ND | Do not buy a 1820! We had one and it was the biggest POS that we ever owned. I usually have pretty good patients with equipment but I could not wait to see that thing go down the road. For the price I think a 5000 Flexicoil would be a way better machine. We run a 5710 Bourgualt now and I am really happy with it.
Edited by CND 6/17/2010 21:22
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| Thanks guys information. Actually when looking it over the flexi-coil 5000 looks and I think is the same design as the 1820. I just wondering about residue clearance and flow and how well it will seed with 7.5 inch versus the 10" of the concord. I love that concord, but the 1820 looks to have more capcity and a better seed tank. What were the main issues with 1820 that you problems with CND? Thanks. |
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Sunburst Montana | We have been running an 61ft 1820 for 6 years now. Only thing that we have had a problem with is breaking a wing up hydraulic cylinder. No frame issues. I know a guy running two 61ft 1820s behind Big Bud 450s. They were the first 1820s in this area and if there is frames issues to be seen I would think it would be his. Several more 1820s around here and I haven't heard of any problems yet. Trash flow is pretty good. Only time we plug up is going through a weed patch consisting of russian thistle or if the combine operator left a foot or more of stubble. But we don't use sweeps either. If you are worried about trash flow make sure your combine has a really good chopper because that matters more then what kind of drill you have IMO.
Edited by Steiger Man 6/17/2010 21:05
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Shelby, MT | hey you never reported back to us all on the fuel economy of your sprayer vs mechanical drive sp sprayers?
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| Steiger Man, do you run a 7.5 inch spacing or larger spacing? I'm concerned the 7.5 inch may be too narrow? Does anyone run the knife points and do they close up good when the conditions are sticky? Thanks. |
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Sunburst Montana | Spraying chemfallow I was down to .08 gal/acre. Spraying crop now at the 10 gal/acre rate I am closer to .1 gal/acre. |
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Anamoose, ND | Issues.......First off the bolts that hold the main frame rock shaft broke which twisted the rockshaft. The frame on the outer lift broke. We were constantly putting new rubber caps on the press wheels. The seed hoses on the delivery manifolds constantly worked themselves out. The tow behind cart would push the drill downhill when seeding across hillsides......I am not talking inches...more like 6 feet in the right conditions. The metering rolls required constant cleaning and lubing. The u-bolt that holds the packer gangs on would break while folding the drill up....would replace several of these a year. The drill itself also like to hop when seeding above 5.5 mph, we bought our Bourgualt and I couldn't believe how steady the frame was-even at 6 mph. Lots of other things that I have thankfully forgotten over the last few years. |
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Sunburst Montana | Ours is 7.5" spacing and we run the knives. We don't seem to have problems closing up the trench. A lot of our soil is gumbo that will crust over if you get a hard rain right after you seed. |
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Sunburst Montana | I asked one guy I know with an Apache 1010 and he is getting around .09 gal/acre. |
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Shelby, MT | pretty similar then....were you spraying for stewart the other day? |
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Sunburst Montana | Yes, just crop though. We have to go back and do some chemfallow. That ground is spongy which didn't help the fuel economy. I did a walk around the place for the first time and because we are on a public forum, all I will say is infreakingcredible. |
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Shelby, MT | did you check out the coulees too!! treasures there too. Lots of auction treasures that never got used.......I bet the ground was spongy....that rain few days before you sprayed was standing water everywhere and also he works the ground really good before seeding... those versatiles are a living testiment to tough....I seriously don't think there is another tractor on planet that is that tough, JD, Steiger and Bud don't hold a candle, oh ya Rite didn't make it either...in all been an interesting and good neighbor... |
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Sunburst Montana | I made it all the way out to the burned up 8820. Did you know he has a JD Wagner? I have to agree if he runs Versatiles they must be tough. Still can't believe how hard he works. I drove by earlier this year during seeding and there was 2 hired hands running the tractors and he was out picking rocks by hand with a Case 930. You know the worst tractor we had was a 976. But one of the best was a 950. You know my Big Bud weighs twice as much as a Versatile. 36,000 lbs factory weight vs the ~18,000 shipping weight of a Versatile 950.
Edited by Steiger Man 6/17/2010 22:13
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Shelby, MT | no I didn't know he had a jd wagner I will have too look, only other one I remember beside the one Gibler was one along highway by Buckwheats area......He is or close to the hardest working farmer I know...he works year round and he could work me under that table any day of the week.......he doesn't have any 950's, use to be 900's and 935's, now 935's and 976... and durring those a Bud and a Rite and old wagner, worked hard but was short lived..and that 57' 7" spacing flexi 5000 is pulled with a 935 all day long and no hydraulic kit....seed and stand always looks good..
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Sunburst Montana | Its been rebuilt by Rite. Only way to tell it was a JD was looking at the serial number. I don't know who or what those people or places are you mentioned but there is one in Chester and another one near Dunkirk being used by one of our FSA employees. You know who he is. Stewert still has a Big Bud which I wouldn't mind having. He did weld the the shift lever back on. He still has a Wagner 17 and 9 in addition to a Clark army tractor. Taylors pull a I think 53ft JD 1820 drill with their 976 and they tell me they have to shut the fan off to raise the drill. Getting any rain?
Edited by Steiger Man 6/17/2010 22:34
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Shelby, MT | Gibler was the owner of our place before us and he had a green wagner... The Rite is the tanish colored detroit powered tractor over west in a field waiting for a proper burial...
the JD 6030's that showed up in last few years are interesting...he was spraying with them, haven't seen if he is this year
his bud came from a sale down by power where the son or father son were in trouble for drugs... they used it for a while and engine went out, then sam overhauled it and now who knows the problem...
I don't know how much rain we got at farm but heard around .6 range this morning... in town we are right at 1 inch right now according to my gage... how about you... |
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Sunburst Montana | Just hit one inch. The stuff over on 9 mile probably is getting up to 2 in. We didn't get any rain until last night but it was raining all day over there. I think he bought that 6030 last year. He told us he saw a 6030 in a calendar and didn't know JD even made one. So he decided to buy one for spraying since it would be easier then using the 7520.
Edited by Steiger Man 6/17/2010 22:56
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| I got heavy clay soil and sometimes when it is wet the trench doesn't close very good. I like to get a little tillage with the air seeder when direct seeding, that's why I am thinking about the sweeps. I'm just worried about seeding placement with the 1820 and seed row spacing going from a 10" concord to a 7.5 inch. Does the 7.5 produce a good stand? Do you ever run into trouble getting the 1820 in ground or seed depth? Thanks. |
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Sunburst Montana | We've gotten good stands but I have no experience with what you are trying to do. Never have had trouble getting the drill into the ground but thats because we don't use sweeps and hard ground is the reason we don't use sweeps. In the past our soil has been so hard that you can see the shanks vibrating when seeding. Seeding depth has never been an issue with us but IMO you have level the drill correctly after assembly before ever taking it to the field for the first time. I know one instance when a neighbor demoed a drill and got really poor stands. Problem wasn't the drill was leveled correctly at the dealership and the result was a lost sale. I can only say is find somebody with a setup similar to what you are wanting. |
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| It appears the 1820 is heavy enough to get into the ground as it looks heavy. I think that concord could seed into cement, and I likethe seed placement in the band with big air packer tires with the concord. That's another thing, I don't know if I like the 3 inch semi-pneumatic packer wheels either. I am assuming the 7.5 inch will just lay about a couple inch band of seed and fertilizer and you don't want a wide band seed boot with 7.5 inch spacing?? I'm just worried I won't get the stand of wheat with the 1820 compared to the concord with wide seed band and wide packer tires. |
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Sunburst Montana | Why don't you just stick with what you know and what works? |
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Roseglen, North Dakota | I would recommend staying with 10" spacing no matter what drill you buy--especially if you're going to be direct seeding. We run a narrow beak with 10" spacing and like the minimal amount of dirt moving, undisturbed ground between seed rows, ease of pulling, etc.
We ran 5000 drills for 15 years, was/is a great drill, but if you get one with the newer plastic tanks with the electrical you are on your own if you have problems. Flexicoil service (and resale) went down the tubes when New Holland took over, now they're taking the parts warehouse out of Minot, ND, that will be final nail in the coffin.
Have 1820 and 1835 now, nothing bad to say about either, at least there's dealer support in our area, kind of sparse for bourgault, flexi, and case-ih... |
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Agent Orange: Friendly fire that keeps on burning. | My ground is all sticky gumbo. Have always had trouble with gang type packers getting all balled up and turning into a roller and finally a drag, when enough mud built up to keep them from turning. If you keep after it long enough when the packers are acting as a drag, you will break something. If you catch it in time, you get to spend an hour or two, of seeding time, digging out the gangs. I'm really down on gang packers. Been using a Concord with the walking beam mounted packers for a few years now. Have yet to have one plug or start to shove. I can't imagine ever going away from a drill with a packer system like the Concords. |
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Ste. Rose, MB | we have a 1820 with 10" spacing & 3" rubber packers. Very happy with it...wish the packers were 5.5" though, thats the only thing really. The Concord is one heck of a good tool too...why not keep the seeding tool & trade the tank for a 1910 cart? A farm out here did that last spring, they had problems with their concord tank & prefered the JD so they just traded tanks & made it work. Just an idea. I personally wouldnt go with 7.5". 10" spacing is better trash clearance, less openers to maintain, cost & lightens up the weight of the machine too. Good luck |
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