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| Looking for some info on the flip over style plow. Who makes them? Anyone have any experience with one? I would be willing to bet the cost is quite a bit more than a standard plow.
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south central IOWA | I have know idea if they still make them but a neighbor was just showing me his old John Deere 3 bottom flip over. Said he had it sold for $500 but it is still sitting there ( about 3 months now). I've never plowed a field in my life but going by what he was saying it is the only way to go. |
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West Texas | What size tractor? Lots of 5 bottom onland around here that you could buy for $1500. Most are Case or White. 160 to 180 will pull a 5 bottom no problem in my area. |
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Thumb of Michigan | There are some roll overs in this area. Seems like some are Kvernlands, but wouldn't bet on it. Haven't been in the same field as a plow in close to 30 yrs. |
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sw ontario | a new 6 bottom loaded will set you back about 50k (list)..... not sure why everybody picks on mold board plows as maybe slow and a little expensive too use but can do some wonderful things too clay or abused soils,weeds,fertility,ect |
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Sumner GA, Located in southwest GA, | Artsway builds the old CaseIH rollover plows. We use a Massey 57, very good plow, but heavy as sin to pick up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWGrKx8ZB3A
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Chilliwack BC | Just about everything here is Kverneland. I know of 1 Kuhn and 1 Lemken.
4 years ago an almost new Kverneland ES-80, 3 bottom, variable width, spring trips, and #9 boards was $19,000. |
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| Arts Way makes up to a six or eight bottom I think. We run them in irrigated country. We can pull a six bottom with a 200 horse tractor pretty easily in most conditons plowing 14-16". Soils are sandy loam. New six bottom last year was 22,000. This year they went up to 25-26,000 for a new one. |
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| Used 6 bottom roll overs around here usually bring around 14-15,000 Case IH. About 5 years ago you could pick a nice on up for about 8,000. Strip till was the wave of the future up here, until gossens wilt(sp) showed up. We plow-plant dry beans and sugar beets. We plow 6 with a double packer pulled behind and it takes everything a MX 270 with bigger injectors has on nasty hill sides. |
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| 200 horse for a 6-16 in sand? You using shetland ponies?
Most of us around here can get by with 100 on that although 120 would be more comfortable...
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| Kverneland. It's basically the only plow around here and has been for a long time.
Rod |
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West Texas | Around here a 6-18 flipover or switch plow you better have at least 175 horsepower to go 10 inches deep. |
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Sumner GA, Located in southwest GA, | Yep, pulled 3-18 this winter with around 100 horsepower 5 miles an hour, and that is all she had. Trying to dig up chinamen, no point in running if you ain't going to put it deep. |
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Eastern Washington | I've got a JD4200 4/18 furrow plow sitting out back that I would make you deal on.......cheap. Haven't used it in probabley 15yrs. |
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| Thanks fellas...good info. |
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NW Washington | Kuhn is selling rollover plows in the US now too. http://www.kuhnnorthamerica.com/us/products-plows.html |
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On the Delmarva | It has more to do with the weight of the plow vs. how deep you're going or size of the moldboard. I run a CIH 165 w/ 6-16" and the only tractor that will lift it is the 8950. The MX180 can move it, but then I have to steer with the brakes when it's in the air.
Phill
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| What are you plowing? Gumbo? I run a Kverneland AB85HD with 4 variable 12"-20" number 8 bottoms. A NH TS90 will pull it anywhere at full width at 4 MPH. It will pull it at 5-3/4 MPH at a slightly narrower setting or in lighter soil. Granted a lot of our ground is sandy loam... but we do have some that would likely classify as a sandy clay. It's quite heavy anyway...
100 HP will take that plow anywhere, at full width, all day long at 5 mph.
Ofcourse this is also on MFWD tractors...
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West Texas | You still didn't say how deep your plowing. |
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On the Delmarva | He also isn't running a roll over plow. |
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St Marys Ontario | I run a PG 115 Kverneland 8 furrow.It is not as easy to run as a regular plow
but leaving level farms makes it worth while. I would say per furrow it is
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| 8-10" deep... and it doesn't matter wether it's a rollover or not. Last I checked the bottoms sticking up in the air don't draw a lot of wind at 5mph.
If you're talking about lifting a fully mounted rollover, that's one thing. You need a big tractor... but you certainly don't need anywhere near the power you're talking about to pull a 3 bottom plow or a 6 bottom for that matter.
There's a guy around here pulling a Kverneland BB120's that has 6 bottoms, full width to 22" and he plow over 1' deep with it. Prefered power unit? Ford 7710. He doesn't take it everywhere by any means at that width, but most places.
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West Texas | Bring it to west texas and he might be able to turn around with it up. |
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| Funny.....
Must be the only place in the world you need 200 hp on a 6 bottom plow then. That would work real good on our 20% grade...
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Thumb of Michigan | When we plowed, we used a Deere 8640 on a 7-18 on land straight frame plow . Had to drop the right wheels in the furrow if it got greasy. We could bolt the 8th bottom on and do a pretty good job when we replaced the 8640 and put a 335 hp Steiger on the same plow. Generally speaking, that combo would be 1 or 2 bottoms short in the next county. It would also be at least one bottom heavy in the county the other way.
Don't really miss plowing much. |
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Virginia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTkvbJrGL1U |
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West Texas | Well I guess I'm just an a** that doesn't know how run equipment! Just to satisfy you here are some pictures of a 4755 pulling a 5-18 switch plow burning 10 gallons an hour and an 8520 burning over 15 gallons an hour on 7-18bottom plow. According to you I'm sure you tie them both together and pull them with a 4020 burning 2 gallons an hour and plow 160 acres by lunch. But I'm sure you know how to farm cotton in the West Texas desert sand with 13 inches of rainfall. Sometimes people need to learn that there are other places in the world people farm besides their hole!
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Kittitas Co. Wa. State | Wasn't going to get into this pizzing contest. But, folks are getting pretty "everywhere is just exactly like "here".... yah right... 100 hp "HERE" is maybe going to get you pulling 3/18's tops you aren't going to be pulling 4/18'2 unless it is straight DOWN HILL.. 4/18's is all a 125 HP tractor can handle and actually should have another 30 hp to do a good job plowing. |
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| You guys are funny... and ya think yer pretty smart too.
I'd be pretty chairitable to say that there's a lot around 'here' like you. I've lost count of how many times I've been told that I "can't" pull the present 4-20 Kverneland AB85 with the TS90 that I sometimes use on it.... it was too much plow for the tractor and more endless bull****. This all coming from fools that never used more than 3 14's and would regularly pull them with 100 hp.
Much like everything else in life, this comes from the same school of thought that you need 150 HP to drag a mixer around a concrete yard, or a Pete with 550 Cat, 18 double over and 4.90 rears to drag 80K down a 1% grade interstate.... or better yet.... I got 15K hours on my tractor without any major repairs. Now I know why. You got 200 Hp doing a 120 HP job.
One should more carefully define the difference between need and want....
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Kittitas Co. Wa. State | Texas or Wa. either way,, bring your camera too, you can bet I'll have mine there. 4/20' with a ts90 (whatever that is,) Neighbor had a 3/18 Kverneland and his 90 hp. got the job done sorta but sure not very fast. He could not pull a 4/18. If only plowing 3-6 inches deep might get by with a pissant tractor. But then again why plow at 3-6 inchs deep might as well disk. LOL ! You born with that attitude or did you grow into it?? NoT EVERYWHERE is the same as where you are. If you were more experienced you might learn that. (but I'm guessing not) |
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West Texas | I made my offer too! I was wondering what that tractor is or what brand. Either way I'm not saying he can't do it where is he at but he won't do it here. |
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| TS90... = NH. 70 PTO rated... In sandy loam, what the original remark was about, it will pull that plow steady at 4 mph quite easily. If the gearing was better for it's power curve it would probably do 5 mph. In heavier ground it loses a gear... probably down to 3.5 mph.
Most times I use a Ford 7710 that is turned to somewhere around 105 hp. It handles that plow in any soil I have at 5.5 mph... so get your cameras.
Not that it will do you much good. I've had plenty of naysayers around here who tell me I can't do that either, right here.... so I don't need to visit the left coast to here it there.
When they stand there and see it with their own two eyes, then I'm told it will destroy the tractor........ and I won't be doing it for long, and.... on and on.
I don't think you're going to tell me or show me anything I haven't seen yet. Again, unless you're working in some incredibly heavy soil, or wet conditions that one normally would not work in, I see no reason for that kind of power in front of 6 bottoms....
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West Texas | Actually dry for us is harder to pull than wet. |
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| Rod-----what a fitting name! |
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| Hard like concrete?
I've got one farm that goes like that. Probably 30 ac of sandy clay. After about 5 years the most prominent grass we see there is some kind of wild swamp grass that requires plowing at 12" to get under the roots, and we have to go under them as they won't slice off. That place goes from a slick bog to concrete in about 2 weeks if the weather turns quick... but it's one of those places that if it's that wet you stay clear of it... and if it goes that dry, might as well stay away then too.
It would take power in the numbers you suggest to plow it in either it's wet stage or dry stage... although I have plowed it dry. Just slower.
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Devils Lake, ND | plow79 - 6/8/2010 20:39
4 years ago an almost new Kverneland ES-80, 3 bottom, variable width, spring trips, and #9 boards was $19,000.
Wow. Did they throw in an 806 to pull it? |
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| Most everybody who plows down here (SW AL, and SE US in general) is using a SWITCH plow, by John Deere or Harrell (now out of business).
I was always told the flip overs were a parts man's wet dream and would shake the tractor hard when flipping. Switch plows seem to work well.
Seems to take around 35-45 hp per bottom here (8400 or better to pull a 6 bottom). Rod's NH would do well to pull a 3 bottom here. |
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Chilliwack BC | An 806 won't pull or lift a 3 bottom plow outside of Nova Scotia.
Seriously though, here's the same plow in Australia for $22,000 AUD. Almost new meant 1 year, <100 acres.
edit. Forgot the link
http://www.farmhub.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?ItemID=3172417&TabID=...
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Scotland | Kverneland is a good plough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TTzxJNhOBg |
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Flip over moldboard plow ?
