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NW Iowa | I know this has been talked about many times on here but might as well beat the dead horse again. Looking at building a new bed pack cattle building, limited space as far as foot print of the building. would like to get 300 head in it if possible and have around 100x180 space to put it comfortably. What is better a wide monoslope type building or two narrower buildings? not interested in a pit barn, largely due to the time the cattle will be in the building and these will be angus/holstein crosses, not sure if they will hold up long term on slats.
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sullivan il. | Here you go have had straight Holsteins in there for 10 months and no problems key is the rubber mays
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NW Iowa | a lot of them have gone up around here, all with rubber slat mats, just always here of a lot of leg and foot issues, even on straight beef critters |
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south central WI | What or how are you feeding them? I would go with a normal barn with a drive thru alley, or the 2 barn idea. A barn 100' deep is going to have limited feeding area per animal, unless you put multiple stuffers in the barn. |
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NW IA | Bury that idea as fast as you can. Bedding pack barns are far too labor intensive and the foot issues are endless once the cattle have been on feed 90 days or more. Build a facility with dirt pens and an open front barn or a slatted floor with a pit facility.
Edited by sioux 1/26/2024 17:28
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SW WI | Please tell me more about these endless foot issues that I'm supposed to be having ***
I dealt with hog pits...won't be going down that road with cattle.
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Badger State | What? |
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SC Wisconsin | Bury THAT idea, ive fed in open lots one time and ill quit of I ever have to do that again. I cant imagine what a swamp a dirt lot would be with the weather were having right now. Finally have everything under roof again and i couldn't be happier. If you're having widespread foot rot issues with bed pack barns you're doing something wrong. Pit barns ive heard a lot of great things about them but no experience personally |
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Sw mn | How old are you? Why do you have limited space? How many head could you feed at this sight?
Don’t start building on a yard that only has room for 300 head. |
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Latimer, Iowa (north central) | Go out into the field and build the best barn for your needs/wants. Don’t try and cram it into a tight yard. |
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SW WI | Our responses to Sioux should’ve been……bro…do you even have a barn? |
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Cullom, Illinois | Bunk space is your limiting factor. Anything under a foot per head and you will have troubles. Unless your feeding yearlings on full feed the whole time. And in your bed pack barn you’ll need 40 sq ft per head minimum space.
With a foot of bunk on just one side of the pen, your barn would need to be 300’ long and 40’ wide.
That won’t fit your area. So let’s go bunk on both sides. Now your barn would be 150’ long and 80’ wide. The challenge here is you still need a way to get cattle and manure equipment in and out of the pens. Some build metal bunks that swing like gates. Others make the barn a little longer to compensate for the gates using up bunk space.
Bunk space is king, especially in confinement barns.
Something to consider is you only need 25 sq ft per head in a slat barn. So your barn is roughly half the size of a bedded barn. You will have added cost of the pit and slats. But remember that when comparing prices.
Edited by roo 1/27/2024 07:13
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Sioux County, NWIA | If I have to go back to feeding cattle in mud lots I will quit. Period. There is nothing cheap or easy about mud lots in NWIA. |
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western iowa,by Denison | endless I come back to same Idea-a 30ft wide building works a 30x160 is 4800 sq feet-we stock at 100 head-with 96 better because they do so dang good that it takes 3 pots hauling 32 head to empty the barn
a 30ft mono facing south -with 160ft of bunk,the 30ft gable works to
with 30 ft between buildings
yuo have enough room for 3 buildings with 30ft between
about $40,000 per building with concrete ,bunks and waters
you could build 1 then build again next year for building 2 and then build 3 the year after
Edited by garvo 1/27/2024 08:12
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NS Canada | Then why couldnt he fit 2 40ft buildings with a 20 ft feed alley between?
40x180 = 7200sq, 180 head per. 48sq/head if he only wants to meet his 300 head goal. |
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western iowa,by Denison | he could-just time after time my best results come from the 30 ft wide building,and its very cheap to build |
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| garvo - 1/27/2024 08:10
endless I come back to same Idea-a 30ft wide building works a 30x160 is 4800 sq feet-we stock at 100 head-with 96 better because they do so dang good that it takes 3 pots hauling 32 head to empty the barn
a 30ft mono facing south -with 160ft of bunk,the 30ft gable works to
with 30 ft between buildings
yuo have enough room for 3 buildings with 30ft between
about $40,000 per building with concrete ,bunks and waters
you could build 1 then build again next year for building 2 and then build 3 the year after Is that a build and pour yourself price, or having it built by a decent contractor? |
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NS Canada | Would be hard to find a good contractor to build a 30ft garage for 40k , let alone 160 ft barn. |
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Badger State | That's his "cheaper to build 3-30' buildings than 1-50' building" |
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SE Manitoba | Crete - 1/28/2024 15:22
That's his "cheaper to build 3-30' buildings than 1-50' building"
Have you actually priced out 30' and 50' trusses? |
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Badger State | Yes. There's a lot more to building a build than the trusses. |
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SE Manitoba | Crete - 1/28/2024 19:23
Yes. There's a lot more to building a build than the trusses.
Truss cost increases a lot faster when you pass something like 36 to 40'.
Garvo has found a sweet spot for naturally ventilated barns.
When you get to the 50' or wider - - - now you're using powered ventilation (ergo - - - costs go up!!! and maintenance and operating costs).
Trusses aren't everything but that 36' width cuts your truss cost to the bone! |
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Stearns County Central MN | You want to have foot problems, put holsteins on slats in Minnesota. |
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Badger State | Never seen a power vented steer barn and they build them a lot wider than 50'. 60'-64' wide is the best bang for the buck around here when it comes to machine sheds. Sweet spot is irrelevant you can't build 3-30' cheaper than a 50'. |
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Looking at building a bed pack cattle building
