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central illinois | I guess most of us knew they were wrong ... what say
The men who were telling all us simpletons we just don’t understand how good the usda is? It’s frustrating dealing with liars.. a lot of cheap beans sold... yes it looked good at the time like some have mentioned on here... but at what point in time do farmers reject being used as pawns ... I know I’m wasting my time with this post but for Christ sake with the invention of the internet couldn’t someone start a web page where farmers could sign a petition to audit the usda and demand some change... these people work for us .. we actually produce something... think about it without farmers there would be no cbot, ag retailer, implement dealer, seed companies, the list goes on.. was the usda narrative politically motivated? Was it incompetence, arrogance, bureaucracy? I for one would like to hear a few answers...
Frustrating when you have been lied to for several years expecting more lies and sell to soon... I don’t want socialism but this is out of hand... especially with all the technology we have today... in the late 80s early 90s the market might move 10c in a whole year ... it was boring yes can’t we find a middle ground solution |
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SE IL | If everyones bins were full they wouldnt be $14...just saying. |
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Northeastern Pa | Exactly. Nothing left to sell is why we are seeing this price action. |
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central illinois | So lower yields lower carryout less planted acres have nothing to do with markets hmmmmm I’ll keep that in mind going forward |
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Frytown, Iowa | Kinda seems to me like they were trying to make Trump look bad to farmers. |
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West central IL | I can’t believe how many farmers on here speak favorably of the USDA. Just another incompetent government organization. To make matters worse, when they make one of their frequent huge mistakes, they’re loathe to admit it and rather than quickly adjusting numbers, they spread it out over months and even years costing their citizen farmers millions. |
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West Lafayette IN | I think it’s interesting that the Pro Farmer tour estimates are always very close to the USDA estimates and they are both wrong. Is PF just copying the USDA???? It makes me question the value of either one. |
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n.c.iowa | What mistake are we accusing them of here exactly? |
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Andrews indiana | +1000 |
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Frytown, Iowa | Dirk Diggler - 1/13/2021 06:43
I think it’s interesting that the Pro Farmer tour estimates are always very close to the USDA estimates and they are both wrong. Is PF just copying the USDA???? It makes me question the value of either one.
What does it matter to them if they copy or come up with their own. All they care about is their fame and free advertising off the backs of drunk trespassers. You don’t think it was by chance they come out with their results one week after USDA?
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NW in. | All they do is try to get close to usda |
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So. IL | Been saying they were wrong for a while just to get told I’m wrong by members here. I really think the pp numbers from a few years ago were much bigger than advertised and now it’s coming back to bite them. |
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| Funny isn’t where are the ones that laughed at you now? |
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Nebraska | all the time I spent flying over farmland in the US I said time and time again "they are full of poo with those numbers".
Eventually those little birdies come home to roost. They had to eventually get bled into the system. By a confluence of events, they are having their hands forced and now having to make up for it.
Which is why I still have full bins.
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Casey IL. ( I -70 ) then south on rt.49 | The only one I can think of is 2019. They counted ppp ground in there report.
We all new that ppp ground was none productive.
Yes I agree we need them, we also need them to be honest.
Why are there information 30 days old, this is the age of technology. |
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north central SD | Doesn't USDA have access to FSA pp numbers, or are they locked up somewhere - top secret? |
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Amenia, ND | They are just using all the RMA data now to adjust their incompetence 22 million pp 2019 10 million pp 2020. Record yields from late planting 2019 less than ideal yields in 2020. You only need to be in government to screw up things and get away with it. This has cost taxpayers a bundle and producers as well. I have been hauled to the wood shed the last two years for someone’s game of lies and deceit. Why did China buy so much grain Tuesday Am? I have always said there’s someone or entity that runs this corrupt government. I just never thought it was this bad or corrupt. My prayer is Lord Jesus remove the scales from our eyes and open our ears and hearts to understand what is all going on. |
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S Illinois | Many may want to think through what they are saying. IN555’s acres numbers are useless because all of the sudden we have a 13.5 demand base instead of 14.5 because this is just “making” up for previous years. And how about the extra demand because UDSA “kept” prices too low? Demand at 3.50 is much different than 4.50 or 5. So now the US demand base is only 13b bu. after accounting for the fudging of the numbers.
May want to sell as much new crop as possible.
Edit: I assume you have you own set of numbers you are going off of? If the USDA was wrong before the report yesterday is also wrong.
Edited by w1891 1/13/2021 07:08
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SEIL | Land? More bins? Liquor and women? Vacations?
Well played |
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Nebraska | only thing I would consider is a newer airplane as my little bugkiller is getting close to TBO. |
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NW Indiana | I was simply using current demand numbers. I agree they are likely lower at current price but I wouldn't have guessed them to be this high now so why guess wrong again? |
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| So here's a thought , Trump puts out these super bullish numbers after he loses election , pushing prices up to these very high levels , knowing full well that later it will be corrected and prices fall and Biden gets all the blame .
You see there is never to many conspericy theories.
Edited by FlatlandAgII 1/13/2021 07:51
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Hennepin, IL | So every mistake they make costs us? What if they're too low on production and too high on usage right now? Would you rather them come out in Feb with the entire correction or spread it out over a few months? When the derecho came thru, would you rather them over shoot the damage and then have to walk those numbers back in the middle of harvest pressure? |
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Frytown, Iowa | FlatlandAgII - 1/13/2021 07:46
So here's a thought , Trump puts out these super bullish numbers after he loses election , pushing prices up to these very high levels , knowing full well that later it will be corrected and prices fall and Biden gets all the blame .
You see there is never to many conspericy theories.
It’s not a conspiracy theory if it correlates to reality
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SE Iowa | What are you comparing right/wrong with?
next month they will be accused of being wrong again... the beat goes on.... the market knows.. |
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SE Iowa | Agree... more bad things can happen at these levels than good...Trickling new crop... but this still could be a 2022 problem too... what to do. |
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| frytownfarmer - 1/13/2021 08:15
FlatlandAgII - 1/13/2021 07:46
So here's a thought , Trump puts out these super bullish numbers after he loses election , pushing prices up to these very high levels , knowing full well that later it will be corrected and prices fall and Biden gets all the blame .
You see there is never to many conspericy theories.
It’s not a conspiracy theory if it correlates to reality
Correlation is not causation. |
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| People would rather blame someone else for their poor marketing. It’s evident who sold way too early and won’t let go of that fact.
People were blaming Trump for marketing issues as short as a few months ago instead of taking responsibility to mitigate risk. Own it. Analyze what was done wrong. Move on. Imo. Just sayin |
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SE Iowa | or really didnt believe their own aurguement in the first place... or they would of reowned some how... the market was telling them too. |
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So. IL | Spanman - 1/13/2021 09:47
People would rather blame someone else for their poor marketing. It’s evident who sold way too early and won’t let go of that fact.
People were blaming Trump for marketing issues as short as a few months ago instead of taking responsibility to mitigate risk. Own it. Analyze what was done wrong. Move on. Imo. Just sayin
When it’s a game of lies from the government making fake numbers then yes we should blame them. They keep printing higher numbers every year and then they won’t come off them much to save face even when they know they are wrong. Their lies have cost farmers billions. |
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| so you knew they were wrong, you wrote it here. In KNOWING that info what actions did u take to capitalize on it? |
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| Or made farmers billions if you knew they were wrong. Would we be this high if they were always exactly correct? I would guess we wouldn’t be close to this price but that’s just my opinion. Sort of a butterfly effect. |
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E ND | well, trump gave us the payments, and a price. good times for farmers, but he is done on the 20th, and we move on from there. a cheap dollar could keep us in the game. a recession has usually been good for ag. |
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NW in. | The problem is you were right but who can stand and fight for two years or more of fake numbers. You can't outspend the government and the way markets are set up. How much money would you have to spend to defend your correct position. It costs a fortune to fight the government. |
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So. IL | Indrtfmr - 1/13/2021 16:49
The problem is you were right but who can stand and fight for two years or more of fake numbers. You can't outspend the government and the way markets are set up. How much money would you have to spend to defend your correct position. It costs a fortune to fight the government.
Yes and you can only hold corn so long before the bin goes out of condition. |
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| I know plenty of people selling 19 corn and beans. Heck someone posted about selling 18 beans here the other day. |
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So. IL | Spanman - 1/13/2021 23:10
I know plenty of people selling 19 corn and beans. Heck someone posted about selling 18 beans here the other day.
My neighbor tried that, after discounts it wasn't paying any better this year than he could have got last year. Corn just don't keep multi years here. |
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SE Iowa | If you really believe their track record you should of done something instead of complaining....my guess you really dont.
Btw..What are comparing right/wrong too? |
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Usda s%#t
