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Douglass ks
Posted 5/21/2020 13:43 (#8271663)
Subject: Cover crop between corn rows



Douglass Kansas

I want a cover crop to help prevent erosion that we get from spring floods, and be able to plant into moisture in April.

Anyone plant a cover crop in between the rows of where you will be planting corn?

What I am thinking about is getting a no-till NH3 applicator set on 30" spacing and attached two drill units in between the NH3, with spacing like this NH3-11"-drill-8"-drill-11"-NH3. Apply NH3 and dry 18-46-0 for corn and plant rye or oats with 18-46-0 in the drill rows, during the winter months.

Will foot tall growing rye that is 10" away from the just emerged corn plant hurt it?

Is there anybody that would be willing to build a toolbar to accomplish this and be able to hook to a Great Plains air drill cart?

Seem like in order to get enough growth out of a cover crop to provide erosion protection from floods before corn it uses too much moisture from where the seed will be planted, making it difficult to get a stand.

This year we did 100% urea for our nitrogen in the riverbottom spread in April, some of it got rained in timely, most of it did not. We did oats as a covercrop before corn on two fields spread on in early March rained right after this was done and got a good stand where it was not too wet. Planted two fields to oats that were intending for harvesting for grain, but got a poor stand due to it being too wet so these fields became a cover crop too. Also had a covercrop of rye on some areas of some fields. ( Last years rye self terminated as it drowned out but some higher areas produced seed before this happened.)

Corn planted into green 18" rye second week of April into moisture but barely and would have been too dry if it were not so cool that week.

Corn planted into green 2-3" oats middle of April into moisture even though it has not rained for about three weeks. Oats at this time are barely rooted in and seemed like killing them at this time would result in almost no erosion control from the oats. These oats were killed about a week after planting and had rooted in a lot better in that time. It had rained a day after finishing planting.

Corn planted into 4-6" tall oats that had been sprayed with roundup 4 days prior and 18" tall dead rye that was spayed about 2 weeks prior. Both are in same field and planted both with same planter settings as most passes had some of both treatments. Ground with rye was almost too wet and ground with oats was too dry some corn got into moisture and some did not. This was the end of April when this corn was planted. Two days prior to the oats being sprayed it was too wet to spray and the field that was planted into green oats was sprayed the day before this field.

Flood May 16th, the oats provided some reduction in erosion, but I wish that is was more.

On the fields that the oats were planted on using a drill on 7.5" spacing the oats were much better rooted in from the start. Some of the oats that were spread on the surface it almost looked like they could blow out of the ground.

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paul the original
Posted 5/21/2020 16:00 (#8271850 - in reply to #8271663)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


southern MN
I was at a simple county expo on cover crops couple years ago, mostly seeding into standing corn, but they were experimenting with iron.

Paul



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ILCoverCrops
Posted 5/21/2020 18:01 (#8272006 - in reply to #8271663)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows



Effingham County IL
We have been twin-rowing our cover crops then strip-tilling and subsequently planting between the covers.
All these pictures came from the same field



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Iron Archer
Posted 5/21/2020 18:10 (#8272023 - in reply to #8272006)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


South Eastern VA
That looks great Devin!

Thanks for sharing those pics.
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cardinals_fan
Posted 5/21/2020 21:54 (#8272496 - in reply to #8272006)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


Excellent. Our farm needs this. What equipment are you using to achieve this? Strip till machine? Strip freshener? What about planter for the rye? Cover crop rates? That’s the best I have seen.
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west illini
Posted 5/21/2020 23:30 (#8272636 - in reply to #8272496)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


IL
I’ve been kinda doing this , only the rough way . Broadcast rye . Strip nh3 in the fall, or spring . Plant on strip . Kill rye . It’s just not best and clean as twin row. But does give me some growth and roots to help keep my strips from blowing out on slopes. This is the first year they held real well



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WlntCrkJ
Posted 5/22/2020 06:21 (#8272763 - in reply to #8271663)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


Carroll, OH
I would be interested to work with you on building the toolbar. I would use a moore built bar, dawn strip till row units and duoseed row units. I am not familiar with GP cart, but can pick it up pretty quick I think. Contact me if you want to proceed.
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ILCoverCrops
Posted 5/22/2020 07:09 (#8272846 - in reply to #8272496)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows



Effingham County IL
We use an airseeder (7.5” inch rows) with 2 rows off then the next two on (Have to set a 7.5” offset in the gps to make it line up pass to pass)to twin row the covers. I used annual ryegrass and crimson clover here. We have been coming back in the 22.5” gap with a shank type strip till bar and building a berm and injecting dry fertilizer. I would like to do this with every acre we farm but we have had some challenging falls for getting cover crops established.
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Deaner
Posted 5/22/2020 09:50 (#8273224 - in reply to #8272846)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


Northern Ohio
Why do you only plant two rows instead of three? Three 7.5” rows would leave 15” gap to strip till. I would think that would be plenty.
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ILCoverCrops
Posted 5/22/2020 11:58 (#8273404 - in reply to #8273224)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows



Effingham County IL
I have thought about it but there are two reasons I don’t. The first is that on my air seeder I can simply shut down every other gate at the meter as each gate runs two rows side by side. To run three rows together I would have to re-plumb some hoses. Second and maybe more importantly is that the strip till bar works ground 11-12 inches wide. The 22.5 inch gap shrinks to about 17-18 inches when the cover crops start branching out so that gives about 3 inches of leeway on either side. Even with RTK I want a couple inches of breathing room. If a person had a different strip-till bar or implement guidance they could probably get three rows together and make it work
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IADAVE
Posted 5/22/2020 23:41 (#8274461 - in reply to #8272763)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


Looks interesting. I would bet most years the cover crop will run the corn short of water in drier climates.
It may work OK though. In 83, a very dry year. I planted corn into alfalfa. The landlord wanted it worked up with a chisel plow of sorts. It left the alfalfa in strips. The landlord also wouldn't allow much N or chemical to be applied.
The area with the alfalfa did better than most of the farm. I figured it was from the extra N from the alfalfa. Grandpa said that the alfalfa would bring up water and the corn would steal it.
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mohr-power
Posted 10/22/2020 10:39 (#8559337 - in reply to #8272006)
Subject: RE: Cover crop between corn rows


West-Central IL
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