Alberta, Canada | ilgleaner - 12/19/2006 18:48
Sounds like you aint no poor boy, or you wouldnt be buying green. I can tell by your talk you are the typical smart alec john deere guy that would nt drive anything else.If you are willing to give up 5 % over 3 years,you have plenty of money. What makes the CVT so great is that it is a true constant variable transmisson, Deere dont have it,But claim they do with there glorified powershift. Deere has a cab that hasnt really changed in how many years? Cabs really werent a selling point to John Deere people because they had the worst cab for all of the 80's and 90's but it did hurt there sales.
Right, which is exactly why we currently run 3 of the blue breed (New Hollands) and have never owned a Deere tractor in the past? I wasn't getting at my being financially poor, but being half sarcastic at being deprived of the opportunity to try an Agco. As I've already mentioned, we run New Holland in a Deere infested region, and when looking for a new tractor I've considered a TS135A & MXU135, TM175 & MXM175, T7000 & Puma 165, JD7520, 7720, & 7630, Buhler Genesis 2145, and looked briefly at a Fendt 818 and Valtra T160. I've had a TS135A on demo as well as the 7520 & 7720, as well tried a used New Holland 8970 Genesis. These are all loader tractors. Also note on the CNH models, I dealt with separate CaseIH & New Holland dealers, and I'm not just grouping them together. So count it out, I've looked at a total of 12 different new tractors, on top of operating a Case/McCormick MX130, NH 8340, JD 4440, JD 7410, JD7610, JD7820, and JD7920 all with loaders, save the 4440.
Now, as for you and Deere being more expensive, that's a common view, but as it turns out a CaseIH Puma 165 with LX770 (Quicke 980/Q75) loader and 650/65R38s was still more money than a JD7630/IVT with 746 Loader and 710/70R38s. Take off how many thousands for IVT so you can compare apples to apples for transmissions, and all it does is make the 7630 cheaper. Note, a TM175, MXM175, was about the same price as a 7630, and an TSA and MXU 135 was about the same as a 7520 with IVT. A Fendt price is not so scary if you compare apples to apples with a John Deere, however I did not go for front axle suspension, I believe these tires will be enough, I've "demoed" them on 7730 and 7920 tractors. Factor in resale, yes, I do care about that as it is likely we will be getting out of cattle in 3-5 years.
Personally I like the current 7000LF and 8000 series cabs with the control arm, and have no complaints on them other than that one tends to get bored, having to only flick your wrist or lift a finger for an entire day. However, I've also spent a couple 17-hour days on a TM, and a number of 12-hour days on a JD7410 without any complaints, which is why I considered another TM or MXM, yet haven't much good to say reguarding a JD7520 cab.
My whole question was, and forgive my ignorance for having not operated an AGCO since a 2001 Massey, and not having any complaints with IVT in my applications, other than the technical raves, from a common guy's stance, what makes Agco's CVT so great? But apparently, that's an impossible question to answer, the only thing I've been able to get is that it has less components, is simpler to use (didn't find I needed any extra brains to handle an IVT mind) and it's just plain better, just because!
-Josh
Try some grammar next time, would you please?
Edited by JoshA 12/20/2006 00:04
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Lots of AGCO RT questions (vs. JD 7000 series)
