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The Big Reset underway..?? Corn to $2.. Beans to $6. When does it hit input prices?
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NE Ridger
Posted 10/29/2018 08:22 (#7071667 - in reply to #7071259)
Subject: RE: Not much equity burn yet for crop guys


EC Nebraska
Big Ben - 10/28/2018 23:24

NE Ridger - 10/28/2018 19:

I'm not sure, what do you think the established equity farmers should do in times like these? Rent out the land and get a town job? What's the point? And how would it help the next generation?


“Stay lean” has been mentioned.

Renting out the ground and getting a job can be a good way to go. Here’s a super-simplified example: Let’s say someone owns 300 tillable and is paying his bills and making a living farming, maybe $45,000 a year for round numbers. All is well, he’s not going backward, but the land would cash rent for $300 per acre. That’s a extra $45k per year, plus whatever he’d make at that town job, which could very well be another $45k per year. You said he might go another 10-20 years, so the difference it could make may be $900,000- $1,800,000, taxes and other considerations aside. That kind of cash can go a long way in estate planning so that someone interested in the farm might have a better chance.

In the end I guess it comes down to the “what’s the point” question. If a guy is just farming for himself he can do whatever he likes. Lots of folks benefited from the work of the previous generations though, and if they have a real interest in similarly benefiting the next, might have to make harder decisions.


Staying lean is always good advice. The difference between staying lean at $6 corn vs $3 is that a $25 input that returns 10 bpa is a good idea at $6 corn but maybe not at $3 corn.

That has little to do with how they're counting land cost or opportunity cost. They can be staying pretty lean with every input dollar, and still only be making roughly what the land would bring in rent. They might understand very well that they're living on the rent, but that's how you survive the bad times. If they're making $45K after fully accounting for all non-land costs, then they're doing fine for now. And in ten years they might start making $100K. Why go try to find a town job at age 60 or so?

As for helping out the next generation, if his kids are 25-35 years old now and not yet farming, then they're not likely to be interested in starting to farm 15 years from now. If they're not involved in a farming operation of their own at this point, but want to be, then it makes more sense to use the next 10-20 years to help them start out and work on some kind of transition plan.

If he's got four kids and only one wants to farm, and the estate gets split up "evenly" among all four kids, then an extra million in in the estate isn't likely to help out that one kid all that much. Not unless he's got a functional farming operation of his own already.

I guess my point is that an established farmer isn't necessarily "kidding himself" by continuing to farm his paid for ground as long as he's got enough net income to cover all non-land costs (including living costs). Nor is he cheating the next generation by doing so. Why on earth should he go get a town job just to give the money to his kids? If the next generation wants to farm, and he wants to help them start, then rent them a field on shares or some reasonable rent, trade machinery usage for labor, and help them start. Waiting until he dies and splitting up the estate at that point isn't going to help them much.
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