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deep SW On. | Please try to be civil and non-political , has our soceity just broken down ,even locally we are having murders quite often when just a few yrs. ago it was pretty much unheard of...anymore paper is full of violence and drug arrests...Have we gone a rabbit hole we can't get out of? The Texas shooting would be somewhere near Joey from Texas? |
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Ohio | I would say a lot of it has to do with drugs and how easy it is to get ahold of them. Just in our small town of 2,000, we have had several meth houses found and a couple of drug related deaths in the last year or two. A half hour away to two bigger towns, it seems like they are busting people with drugs all the time. At least twice a week anymore. Friend of mine is a detective and he can’t wait to retire. Said it gets depressing when every call you go on seems to be a drug overdoses. I really can’t see a end to it either. How do you stop people from making drugs when u can go to the store or somewhere close to get all the ingredients to cook it up. Also with all the terror attacks. How do you stop someone that don’t care about life at all and is ready to die, and wants to take out as many people as he can when they go. It’s scary to think about, but no gun law is going to fix something like that. Our society seems to be going downhill faster than we realize. |
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Ottawa, Ontario | Crime ? What crime ?
I simply don’t watch the news. Everything is peaceful in my world.
Keep it simple |
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South Texas | I think Joey is west of San Antonio. Sutherland Springs is southeast of San Antonio, about 25 miles north of me. Small town, 500 people or so. |
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Near-north Ontario, French River | Most , but not all, of the serious violent crime around here is drug/gang related. Sure there's a chance that innocent folks can get caught up in it, but for the most part of if you run with the right crowd and keep your nose clean our area is still very safe. |
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west central illinois | I blame mental health laws today. Lots of whacked out people walking around being treated with meds when they should be hospitalized in insane Asylums. Medicare and turn them loose. Believe it or not guys we have a religious we being fought worldwide also.
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| What about one, or both parents working so much that no one is around to teach young adults right from wrong? Many confused people out there. |
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Ottawa, Ontario | Boone & Crockett - 11/5/2017 16:05
Cross Country - 11/5/2017 15:30
Crime ? What crime ?
I simply don’t watch the news. Everything is peaceful in my world.
Keep it simple And I'll bet the people in this small Texas town thought it was pretty peaceful there too. Until today. Wake up.
I haven’t watched the news. Thus I have no idea what you are talking about....small town in Texas ???
See how easy that is.... blissfully unaware I am.
If you want to fret and worry about things happening all around the world then go ahead. I’ve been spending my time thinking about soybean varieties and snowmobile trips. You just keep on worrying and fretting. |
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barry county mi | What about our zombi crap on tv. viedo games that is probably all about killing shooting and what ever. I dont know too bad archie |
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Texas/New Mexico Stateline | redoak - 11/5/2017 14:05
Please try to be civil and non-political , has our soceity just broken down ,even locally we are having murders quite often when just a few yrs. ago it was pretty much unheard of...anymore paper is full of violence and drug arrests...Have we gone a rabbit hole we can't get out of?
Well, I could go on and on I suppose but a few random thoughts...
We've taught a couple generations now they are nothing but cosmic dust, cousins of apes, there is no afterlife, you are only here because of survival of the fittest genetic mutations are your sole reason for existence. I know you will disagree with me on that point, but if you constantly tell people these things what kind of response do you get from some? Especially those that come from very disturbed and caustic family background.
Add in mental disorders that go untreated, psychotropic drugs that are given and not closely monitored, a general over-saturation of violence in movies and video games that desensitize us, not teaching healthy conflict resolution skills, etc.
Like I said, just a bunch of random thoughts that come to mind.
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NESD | We have a society that does not protect the value of unborn human life, a culture that denies any level of morality or truth. We have multiple generations who have grown up in a public school system that cannot teach right from wrong. We have churches and religious institutions that refuse to call a sin sin. We wonder why we have problems? |
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SW Ontario | People have become very selfish; maybe through necessity but selfish nonetheless. The family unit is broken in a lot of homes. Emotional abuse and split ups between spouses causes lifelong emotional trauma to kids. A lot of kids are growing up with not enough quality parental support. A lot of these kids have now become adults and are starting to do messed up things; drugs, crime, murders etc. The cycle continues when these kids have kids of their own. I don't see this trend reversing anytime soon. It will require people to take into consideration the well being of the ones closest to them. Everyone will have to learn to do with less, simplify their lifestyles etc. and spend more quality time with family at the expense of their own pleasures.
I also second the thoughts on institutionalizing the real crazy ones. The policies of the 1990's that allowed these people back into society was definitely a mistake. |
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WCIL | Agree 100%. The breakdown of the family unit. Little if any raising and training of children, coupled with what Milofarmer said as well. Few take marriage and being a father and mother serious enough to rear responsible children. See it a lot. |
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | If the shooter is not some terrorist, it will come out later that he was on a prescribed drug in the "serotonin reuptake inhibitors" family.
All these shooters are.
This family of drugs has helped a lot of people but a small percent (less the one) turn violent on them. |
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WY, OK | There has always been an evolution by those who are mentally ill and how they effect "society". Think of all the spree killers, cult killers and serial killers of the 60's through 80's. Before that you had more localized nut jobs who would fire bomb a school or some other gathering area. Before that in the "old West" you had the gangs of psychopaths like Billy the kid that would terrorize areas. With today's instant news and glorification by the media of any "mass" shooting that isn't gang related in an urban environment it is the go to thing to do for any kind of dysfunctional outcast. Be it an Islamist or rich white guy with gambling losses or former Airmen Bible studies teacher. If your faith in humanity is so depleted that you think a movie or video game makes someone go on a shooting spree I'd say you don't have a grasp on reality. These people have and always will be amongst us and they will evolve into using/doing new things to disrupt society. Look at how many are just simply moving into running down dozens/hundreds of people with a truck. My guess is the next level could very well be using drones to drop explosive devices on large crowds but no one knows what the next step will be until it happens and becomes the next way for these people to make their outbursts. As for crime in general it really has never been safer, as a whole, in civilized societies. Just because you feel crime has increased in your minuscule corner of the world doesn't mean it has everywhere or even there. Remember the media's only role in this world is to keep the masses riled up thinking every day is the worst ever and you must watch them to stay alive and on top of things. |
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Near-north Ontario, French River | With all due respect its not the school systems, public or otherwise, job to teach kids right from wrong. That job belongs firmly in the home with the parents. An no, its got nothing to due with ones belief is a God, or lack there of. Now as to why parents from the last 40 yrs have failed ,many of todays 'shooters' are in their 30 , 40s or 50s , so the failure of parenting has been going on for a long time. Why?? I have no idea but drugs, 'flower power' , break down in the family unit etc has all been a part of it along with all sorts of other things that we can't even think of. |
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NESD | I probably phrased my schools teaching right and wrong statement poorly. I agree that right and wrong teaching should be in the home. It does seem however that schools are unable to reinforce those values. This is not for the most part the fault of the teacher. Their hands are tied by rules, policies, lawsuits, and parents who believe that their child could do no wrong. My point is that their is plenty of blame to go around: parents, schools, religion, government, media, drugs, and the like. We as parents need to be good examples to our kids and communities. I still contend though that all these societal problems are a direct result of sin. |
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| milofarmer1 - 11/5/2017 16:09
redoak - 11/5/2017 14:05
Please try to be civil and non-political , has our soceity just broken down ,even locally we are having murders quite often when just a few yrs. ago it was pretty much unheard of...anymore paper is full of violence and drug arrests...Have we gone a rabbit hole we can't get out of?
Well, I could go on and on I suppose but a few random thoughts...
We've taught a couple generations now they are nothing but cosmic dust, cousins of apes, there is no afterlife, you are only here because of survival of the fittest genetic mutations are your sole reason for existence. I know you will disagree with me on that point, but if you constantly tell people these things what kind of response do you get from some? Especially those that come from very disturbed and caustic family background.
Add in mental disorders that go untreated, psychotropic drugs that are given and not closely monitored, a general over-saturation of violence in movies and video games that desensitize us, not teaching healthy conflict resolution skills, etc.
Like I said, just a bunch of random thoughts that come to mind.
I pretty much agree
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| I'm not sure that it's a good thing to be totally unaware , but the less I know/think about things I can't control the happier I tend to be. |
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| i thought texas was a pro gun state,, where is all the conceal and carry guys when you need them. |
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WC MN | emtbd1979 - 11/5/2017 16:33
I blame mental health laws today. Lots of whacked out people walking around being treated with meds when they should be hospitalized in insane Asylums. Medicare and turn them loose. Believe it or not guys we have a religious we being fought worldwide also.
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North of London | You said it quite well.
Our instant news feeds allow us to hear of things that would have taken days to get into the local paper that was the news source in the past and few stories got repeated from far away.
There have always been mentally ill people who have done terrible things and unless mental health help is available and is not considered something that stigmatizes people so they will not ask for help these things will continue.
One other thing that has increased the numbers killed by these sick people is the availability of machines to do the harm to others easily and without much muss for the perpetrator.
A person would not have been very successful in running people down with horses and wagons or a single shot gun.
Another factor is the way people and in too many cases politicians stir up hatred for 'the other' which they then downplay the worth of these 'others' which makes people think these 'others' are less than human and so easier to justify killing. |
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Central ND | Morals and Christian society type values sliped away and this crap/ crime/the snowflakes/ and give me type people replaces the civilized living and values and proud citizens/families that used to be here.
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| georgeb - 11/5/2017 18:08
i thought texas was a pro gun state,, where is all the conceal and carry guys when you need them.
Just like all the others - GUN FREE AREA
Your utopia isn't in real life, as it is in your dreams. |
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Texas/New Mexico Stateline | No.
It is legal to carry (with carry license) in church buildings in Texas as long as there are no signs posted prohibiting it.
The real reason nobody seemed to be armed is because it is a small town and people were at church and figured they were relatively safe. I guess they did not think about the Charleston church affected a couple years back.
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | georgeb - 11/5/2017 19:08
i thought texas was a pro gun state,, where is all the conceal and carry guys when you need them.
This early on it's hard to tell what is fact, but I've read in more than one place that a civilian did confront the shooter with a rifle causing the shooter to drop his weapon and flee in a vehicle.
So yes, this could have been worse had it not been for a "good guy with a gun".
EDIT TO ADD: Where you been george, you haven't been dropping your "hit and run posts" like before the election.
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S.C. Wisconsin | I own several guns but the general public are going to get fed up with these lunitic's ease of getting a hold of a real killing machine which is a assault rifle with high capacity magazines. Whether us gun owners like it or not these killing machines are going to be banned or heavily licensed because the general public is going to get fed up with this. I only own one of these assault rifles (which I seldom use) and wouldn't have a problem giving it up it if meant stopping just a few of these mass shootings. JMHO. |
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| dairyman78 - 11/5/2017 19:36
I own several guns but the general public are going to get fed up with these lunitic's ease of getting a hold of a real killing machine which is a assault rifle with high capacity magazines. Whether us gun owners like it or not these killing machines are going to be banned or heavily licensed because the general public is going to get fed up with this. I only own one of these assault rifles (which I seldom use) and wouldn't have a problem giving it up it if meant stopping just a few of these mass shootings. JMHO.
So, are you also willing to give up your use of the assault internet ? or do you use it too much to give up that constitutional right?
What other of my rights are you willing to take away from me?
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| dairyman78 - 11/5/2017 20:36
I own several guns but the general public are going to get fed up with these lunitic's ease of getting a hold of a real killing machine which is a assault rifle with high capacity magazines. Whether us gun owners like it or not these killing machines are going to be banned or heavily licensed because the general public is going to get fed up with this. I only own one of these assault rifles (which I seldom use) and wouldn't have a problem giving it up it if meant stopping just a few of these mass shootings. JMHO.
I agree, we gun owners are going to find ourselves on the wrong side of history if we're not careful.
The second amendment is already regulated, it will get more so. Few anti-gun people are going to give up and say "OK, I'm wrong, no more restrictions."
But some owners are going to admit things have to change. I wouldn't shed a tear if all semi automatic rifles and pistols disappeared tomorrow.
But not shotguns, I like my Auto Five. |
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SWOH | I agree 100% with all of what you wrote, Bill. I believe it’s going to get worse, too. Technology has definitely sped up the craziness. |
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| McFarmer - 11/5/2017 20:18
dairyman78 - 11/5/2017 20:36
I own several guns but the general public are going to get fed up with these lunitic's ease of getting a hold of a real killing machine which is a assault rifle with high capacity magazines. Whether us gun owners like it or not these killing machines are going to be banned or heavily licensed because the general public is going to get fed up with this. I only own one of these assault rifles (which I seldom use) and wouldn't have a problem giving it up it if meant stopping just a few of these mass shootings. JMHO.
I agree, we gun owners are going to find ourselves on the wrong side of history if we're not careful.
The second amendment is already regulated, it will get more so. Few anti-gun people are going to give up and say "OK, I'm wrong, no more restrictions."
But some owners are going to admit things have to change. I wouldn't shed a tear if all semi automatic rifles and pistols disappeared tomorrow.
But not shotguns, I like my Auto Five.
If you REALLY think the anti gun idiots, will NOT TAKE your innocent shotgun. As the saying goes , "Ignorance is bliss" |
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East Central SD | I don't think you have an assault rifle. The true definition an assault rifle includes being fully automatic. And AR doesn't stand for assault rifle or automatic rifle either. The liberal media started using the term incorrectly to drum up hysteria against guns and it has worked well for their agenda. They also believe that anything that's "scary looking" or has cosmetic additions are assault weapons. Actual assault rifles are already illegal without proper papers and are expensive. I would be willing to call bump stocks an assault weapon although they aren't fully automatic, they are close enough.
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WC MN | OntarioCanuck - 11/5/2017 19:35
You said it quite well.
Our instant news feeds allow us to hear of things that would have taken days to get into the local paper that was the news source in the past and few stories got repeated from far away.
There have always been mentally ill people who have done terrible things and unless mental health help is available and is not considered something that stigmatizes people so they will not ask for help these things will continue.
One other thing that has increased the numbers killed by these sick people is the availability of machines to do the harm to others easily and without much muss for the perpetrator.
A person would not have been very successful in running people down with horses and wagons or a single shot gun.
Another factor is the way people and in too many cases politicians stir up hatred for 'the other' which they then downplay the worth of these 'others' which makes people think these 'others' are less than human and so easier to justify killing.
It's not the stigmatization why they don't get help, it's that they think everyone else is wrong and they are right. It's the roller coaster effect of emotion that is addicting, and the stabilization that is boring. It's the side effects of the drugs they don't think they need. It's the laws that protect them....
" it ain't against the law to be crazy." I've heard it repeatedly. It's ok, until it's not. And people get hurt when it's not.... this the cycle which our society needs to understand is not ok. It not ok for the law to step in after people are hurt. It's the laws job to secure the situation before people get hurt...... but that's not how it's setup currently. You'd be surprised how many people will enable a loved ones actions. Look no further than an alcoholic, he she surrounds themselves with enablers.
Holding people accountable for their actions is held as being judgmental in our society.
Our society is enabling crap parents. And crappy people to keep doing crappy things. We'd rather lock up the weed smokers than the child molesters. Go to jail for 500 years for stealing money, but maybe a couple years for rape.....
If you haven't been around mental illness, and im not talking about the slow but happy kind, Im talking about the "I see people who want to kill" kind, you should keep your opinions to yourself as your spreading false ideas that are setting society backwords....... or at least educate yourself with knowledge and experience before producing an opinion.
Us with experience and knowledge would appreciate it.
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NE SD | a bump stock does not enhance the performance of the gun
the skill it takes to use, it makes it useless if you do not know how to use it
novelty item at best
it would take a VERY skilled shooter to make a bump stock work with reliability and accuracy
in "real" situations there would be NO bump stocks
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S.C. Wisconsin | I remember the days when anyone cold buy dynamite, M-80's, Cherry bombs and other dangerous explosives. We used to have great entertainment with these and never got hurt or hurt anyone else. But there are to many cracked pots running around these days to have these things readily available. We had to learn to get along without them. |
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South Texas | And if the guy had a full auto it would have been out of ammo so quick he wouldn't have killed so many people. Full autos are a bit of a novelty too. Sure the military's rifles have that option, and I'm not sure in what situation they're taught to use it. Anyway this guy had a regular semi auto and was military trained.
Those who would want to take away all the semi autos can't realize just how many are out there. As well as in Texas there is no record of most guns, they could get the dealer's records for the last 5 years or so. The people who would voluntarily turn them in don't need to be worried about, the rest would just be hidden and always available on the black market.
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| dairyman78 - 11/6/2017 05:57
I remember the days when anyone cold buy dynamite, M-80's, Cherry bombs and other dangerous explosives. We used to have great entertainment with these and never got hurt or hurt anyone else. But there are to many cracked pots running around these days to have these things readily available. We had to learn to get along without them.
I doubt any more crazies ( just that they can't be controlled anymore)
Why don't we all give the gov the power to control every facet of our lives - we would all live happily ever after.
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| they won't let me play with you guys anymore over there. i must of rattled your cages with the truth too much, i bet you are loving what you got now. things are getting done, really big getting done, like never before getting done and the best getting done, right putin. lol
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| So one is semi-automatic, and the other is fully automatic. Got it.
See, with a semi-automatic weapon, you have to pull the trigger each time you want to fire a round. You can’t just hold the trigger down and have a steady stream of bullets come out like you can with a fully automatic.
Doesn’t that sound a lot less deadly?
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| georgeb - 11/6/2017 14:38
they won't let me play with you guys anymore over there. i must of rattled your cages with the truth too much, i bet you are loving what you got now. things are getting done, really big getting done, like never before getting done and the best getting done, right putin. lol
Have you been drinking ?
Even with the edit, it reads like a 2nd grader wrote it. |
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| georgeb - 11/6/2017 14:39
So one is semi-automatic, and the other is fully automatic. Got it.
See, with a semi-automatic weapon, you have to pull the trigger each time you want to fire a round. You can’t just hold the trigger down and have a steady stream of bullets come out like you can with a fully automatic.
Doesn’t that sound a lot less deadly?
Looks like the mods deleted several replies to this post, either that or your copy/pasting the same thing in multiple threads.
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What happened to US/Canada soceity-Texas church shooting
