When Jpartner was talking about maybe having a decent price next year and then having the price going lower than it is currently after that it makes it sound more like the 80's again to me. If I remember right we had low prices with guys losing money in the early 80's and than in 1983 we had a good run up in price and everyone thought the tough times were over but they really hadn't started yet. I think it was the weather that drove the prices up in 83 so it will be interesting to see how close Jpartner is on the market. I am not good with the charts and I have never put much faith in them but I am sure paying more attention to what the chart guys like jpartner and fry are telling us.