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| I wonder why people seem to get hung up or should I say, so atached to john deere products. I'm not in no way bashing or trying to start a color war, but I don't see that their stuff is any better than anyone elses.
I read some of the post on here and other sites obout problems people have and get amazed at how I here how great the big green company is and if one of my other color brands has a problem what a piece of junk it is.
Ihave A piece or equipment with a 4045 model# JD engine and had to do some work on it and was surprised at how much more pricey it is as to my other brand equipment.
I don't buy that it's better than any other brand my self. Look forward to here yall's opinion on this subject.
Thanks Ronnie from central North Carolina |
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| Apparently some people do see it as being better than other brands for some reason of another, whether it be dealer support or otherwise, or they wouldn't buy it.
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northwest tennessee | It holds its value better than a lot of the others. |
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| But you pay more up front for it also |
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NE CO | When consumers perceive improved quality, style, or value they are willing to pay top dollar. Brands like Jordache, Cadilac, Calvin Klein come to mind. Some companies are able to maintain premium pricing, others eventually fall to the wayside.
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| So you are willing to pay what I see is a premium for parts. |
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| I believe jd parts are not always a premium. since there is so many jd out there, there are a lot of aftermarket parts. I am no big fan of jd, but I admitt they have a good parts network, on line parts lookup. in my area, drop off points for parts, |
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northwest tennessee | I knew that was coming. I believe the end value out weighs any extra cost on the front end. I will agree they are high and I bought a new one in 1991 and it will prolly have to last me unless I get rich and I dont see that happening. I will say that the tractor costs 30000 when we bought it and I see them listed for 25000 plus that are not as nice and more hours. I also know it would take about 50000 or 60000 to buy a new one like it. |
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | I've got JD tractors...MF tractors....CIH tractors...CIH combine (Use to have MF)...Deere planter...White planter...all on this farm at this time. Non of it very new (can't afford new), and I can say it all will break at one time or the other.
I'm fortunate to have a good dealer net work for all brands near by.
The one thing I will say for sure is that AGCO is the "HIGH PRICED PARTS" leader of the group!
........... MY .02 ..........................Mark |
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| It's like this,
who has good quality products
who stands behind there products
who has good service
who can get you parts for the equipment that was built 40-60 yrs ago
who has good resale
who has the largest dealer support
etc...
etc....
____________________ you can add what ever name you think can stand up to the above ?'s. I would put J.D. Say what you want,
no one is perfect, but it takes a dedicated company to fullfill a mission statement that is over a 170 years old. If you don't agree thats OK too.. go buy what you want, you can do that ya know. It's called (FREEDOM OF CHIOCE) . |
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| From my experience JD parts are not higher and perhaps a bit cheaper. For example I needed a threaded rod, and nut for a JD hay tedder made by Kuhn which is the same as the NH tedder. JD dealer had both parts but a 2 different locations for $29 total. Local NH dealer didn't have either part but they would have been $35 (20% higher). Next closest NH dealer didn't have either part and it would have been $32. I had to drive to 2 locations but at least JD had the parts and they were cheaper. I think alot of it is that there is enough JD equipment around that after market places like Shoup and Sloan keep the dealers somewhat honest. Now try buying parts for an Allis Chalmers planter, no aftermaket and you're at the mercy of AGCO. Because of the parts and service I'll keeping paying more for new or used John Deere. |
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| This is how I see Deere. Even if they were not the best at anything (which IMHO they are the best at a few) they do a lot of things very well.
I’m employed by a competitor of Deere and I can tell you this much Deere is the standard that a lot of other manufacturers gauge success.
In a lot of cases Deere parts and service are above average. Deere understands customer needs very well. This allows them to meet a lot of needs of their end users.
Last but not least they have one of the best marketing groups in the business. While all of the major manufacturers in the Ag business are recognizable none are as far known as Deere. For those of you that doubt this last summer while in New York with the family we ran across a clothing store selling Deere clothing. Those people hardly new what a tractor was but they new John Deere. Owning green paint brings more than a good product. It also buys pride and a bit of status among your peers.
Before everyone starts coming down on me let me tell you this. I am not a huge Deere fan. I grew up with red equipment and work for yet another equipment company.
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N.C. Oregon | dealers have freedom to price parts where they want. Intermittant from dealer x $400, from dealer y $370. Same source. dealers bout 50 mi apart |
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NW Tennessee | We use JD equipment because we've always had good service from them. We have at least 8 dealers that I can think of within a 60 mile radius of our shop. There are almost that many CIH dealers in the same area. JD has always served us well. We're not 100% JD. We run some red equipment, own a Kinze planter, and spray with a Spray Coupe. Have owned an International tractor in the past. Chose to replace it with another JD.
IMHO, if you want to talk expensive parts, AGCO should top the list. Most of their parts prices are ridiculous! I also have a neighbor that says parts for his blue tractors are quite a bit higher than parts for his JD. But, I'll admit that's just hearsay, not my personal experience.
Seems to me, on this forum and others like it, there are a lot more instances of anti-JD sentiments and bashing, than the other way around. Again, just my opinion.
I choose JD for their service, parts availability, current and past performance, and re-sale value. This all pertains to MY AREA and MY OPINIONS. Other areas may be completely different and I know other opinions are, and that's fine. That's the same reason they make different flavors of Kool-Aid. personal preference.
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| To start off I would have to echo what everyone else is saying. If you do the math a John Deere is the cheapest tractor to own. The resale on a deere is outrageous We bought 2 7510's in 2003 they are 2001 model lease return's from the state. We bought them for $50,000.00 and it is not uncommon to see a 7410 or 7510 like ours going for $60,000.
Anymore Deere's don't cost anymore than any other tractors when you go to buy new.
Second, The dealer's are unmatched. Cat, Agco, Newholland, are a joke. Not only are there more Deere dealers but they can get you anypart within 2 days.
Anyone running there farm like a business can't afford to run anything but a Deere in my opinion. |
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| Huh? Actually, if you want to pay a premium for parts, try CNH. I buy from Deere and CNH but try to buy from Deere even for the CNH because in most cases the Deere parts will be cheaper. |
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| i ran a silver one got out of cab 10 times a day always something going wrong got a deere and never had to leave the cab 10 times all harvest long still going strong 12 years later and going up in value |
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| I would disagree. We run Agco and have few problems with our dealer. Always has parts or can get them usually the next day. I believe the only reason Deere has such resale is that there are hardcore greenies out there to buy them. Which goes back to those that are color blind to other brands. If people are so brain washed to only buy green, that is all they will look for, therefore competing against others of their kind causing the value to stay up. I myself wouldn't have a green tractor. In 1992 we were looking for a 160 hp tractor and a green one was $30,000 higher for basically the same tractor we ended up buying- an Agco White. Now, I know what you would think, no resale. I would bet when we get rid of it, we wouldn't have made $30,000 more if we would have had the Deere. We have had no trouble with the White. Has 3000 hours on it and has never even had a clutch put in. It has a Cummins engine and is as strong as a horse. We call it old reliable.
You people might have a worthy arguement with the Deere dealership network being better, but I think for the most part, you resale line is a bunch of crap. I'd bet there are as many green lemons out there as there are any other brand- they are just called limes. |
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NW Tennessee | I would hope you wouldn't have to replace the clutch in only 3,000 hours. I've got a 26 year old 4840 with 13,000+ hours with original clutch. As I stated in my original post, I think resale depends greatly on your area. You couldn't give a White away here, I don't care how good a tractor it is. No dealer support. The only AGCO dealer within 100 miles that I know of only sells sprayers, spreaders, and some tillage tools. |
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nw pa | Have had almost all the different brands and they all will serve the purpose. Lately have been buying more green paint than we used to. Getting older and even though I'm not in love with it somebody else will be. Any of the brands can do the job, Agco parts seem a lot higher to buy than others. Good thing we don't need many. One trip a year to the dealer will get the oils and filters to run and anything else they send. The local JD dealer is the pits,never has much and if you want it. You better be ready to pay any saving in parts to the special order. Can't understand why if they have it in the catalog why it should be special order.
The Cases seem to start the best. The Massey's use the least amount of fuel. The Jd's are green.
I have noticed through the years that most of the JD folks don't bat an eye when plunking down a bunch of money for parts. Think it's just part of doing business.
As far as the resale value on JD, no doubt it is there. Also know that using other brands along the way is what allowed us to finally buy some green paint. If I were buying new I would always buy the JD,buying used is a different story. The other brands will do the job and even if it is worthless in the end it will probabaly save you money. When you consider a ten year tractor deal and pay twice as much for the deere,you could have bought another with interest.
All this means nothing if you can afford it and maybe need a big tax deduction. |
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| Agree with your points on buying new and used. New units will holds valueand just seems there is a bunch out there who give more than its worth when selling the unit. On your point of buying used I agree why anyone would give sometime up to a third to twice for a JD over another model makes no sense. Dealer told me when I bought My first used tractor that even I paid 5000.00 more I would get it back on reselling. Told him what do you think I'm a fool who's holding my 5000,00 and besides I could get a good planter for that money. He stood there with a dumb look. |
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| Well; I had to put a water pump on the JD and it cost me $312.46 with the orings and gasket. It,s got 2400 hrs on it. OK. Iput a water pump on the case ih for $104.57 with the gasket. It has 2600 hrs. point being both 4cyl. motors, about 80 hp about same year so I just have a hard time buying into the JD system of cheaper parts. For me bottom line means more than color of any thing. You all know how hard it is to make a profit nowdays anyway, so for me a savings is a saving.
Ronnie |
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| HOLDING VALUE NOT? Try trading an L series JD lawn mower purchased from a dealer!
Merle
Edited by Merle 7/29/2006 07:39
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Wardsville, Ontario, Canada | A liuttle story here. The neighbours had a versatile, 846 maybe, It burned up. but they really liked the tractor. So they were looking at a new blue ford versatile. These are also good friends of mine and I'm blue, they are all green. So I was kind of excited when I found there would be blue paint on their farm. They had also priced an equal John Deere and they were very close, but they liked the versatile. They were on the phone with the Ford dealer making the deal when the JD dealer drove in the lane. The one brother said wait a minute, Lets see what he has to say. The JD dealer offered 10,000 dollars less then the Ford dealer cuz he wanted to see Green kept on the farm. The Ford dealer threw up his hands and said my company won't let me touch that. They like their JD tractor, but how do you compete with that. Those are the words of the Ford dealer himself. I talked to him shortly after. |
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Alberta, Canada | When fix'n stuff for others I've had to go down to the JD store to get parts. Maybe its just here but I've found JD is no different then the rest for not having stock on parts that they should have on hand.
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| "Anyone running there farm like a business can't afford to run anything but a Deere in my opinion"
Thanks for today's laugh! |
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WC MN | "Dealer told me when I bought My first used tractor that even I paid 5000.00 more I would get it back on reselling. Told him what do you think I'm a fool who's holding my 5000,00 and besides I could get a good planter for that money." I share your position, though I (we) are in the minority. Good luck |
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| I sure wish someone had told me that a long time ago! My family has been running "Brand X" for four generations and I just now find out that I'm due to fail. Damn! LOL!!
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NE SD | doh |
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| First of all let me say I do not farm & only collect a few old "other green" tractors & use them for pulls & tractor rides. My local AGCO dealer (3 miles away) is so overpriced on parts that I drive 30 miles to get them from another AGCO dealer. I have priced parts at both places many times & find the local place charges 30% to 50% more. It don't take very long to save enough to pay the driving cost for a 60 mile round trip. The local John Deere dealer is very accomodating, fair on parts prices, & has a very good service department. On the shart line equipment that they handle, they are very competitive on price. It's just too bad they aren't the AGCO dealer in this area as they would get my bussiness. Dave Greif |
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Alberta, Canada | Local JD dealer I hear is now at $95 an hr shop rate. Not many can afford to get old stuff fixed at those prices.
I'm sure every where is a bit different depending on the local dealer. I don't have any AGCO stuff anymore but its sounds like others feel they 're high too.
As for old stuff friend had a JD 2010 a few years ago which I think is early 60's vintage tractor. Some steering parts we found JD "no longer made" and nothing was availble after market.
We did track down the parts at a tractor wrecker and got it going.
I still can buy parts for my early 70's CASE tractors........for how long............ who knows. |
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WC MN | 8520T was quoted the same as mt765 back in 02 (why buy a new 55 when a mt could have been had?).............. Cant say green T's are selling for more than Yellow "here". Still cant find a rubber tire that will out pull a track (Neighbors and Dutch hasnt found one either) So Im not sure what your talking about. The farm has traded for less than 12 bucks acre on combines, but the jump from 2388 to a tracked 470 was for more capacity than any other combine had at the time (this we know from on farm real life experience) Im either lost in your translation, or assuming you haven't bothered to price the competition and are basing your comment off hearsay. For the record, today, I would pay more for yellow and drive past the 3 green dealers on the way to the cathouse after experiencing the service and support that we never knew existed in the past. Long live Paul Sanders!!!!!!! (Im thinking of starting a fan club) Good luck |
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Southern Illinois | True, the local Deere dealer here has belts (sometimes), bearings, and filters for 4400, 6600 combines yet but thats all. Need something else and they have to order it. And there are still alot of these older combines running here. No different for NH or CaseIH dealers, and there are only a couple of Gleaner dealers left around. |
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Southern Illinois | thats called discresionary allowances from the manufacturer to the dealer just to get a deal. |
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Southern Illinois | A&I parts (bought out by Deere to provide aftermarket parts for other colors) are very often low quality Turkish casting and machining. Have seen some very poor quality gears come from them. Halfgood, half bad. |
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| Actually, I'm not talking about the A&I parts..........I'm talking about "crossover" parts, ones that will work on either/or. Corn head sprockets are an example. Also filters, etc.
I've heard the same bad things about A&I and tend to stay clear from them. |
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| my gleaner was the bigest piece of sh/t iever ran but i still have soft spot in my heart for it |
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Flandreau, SD | Newguy, Don't let all the "cat's" out of the bag!!
Chad when we got our Cat the Deere was more than Cat. Now we may have gotten bigger discound on Cat because of some of our other deals, I still would have gone Cat. Our first Cat 277 skid was $10,000 more than the bobcat we demoed. Got 3 277's now. I drove the 8120T at Waseca strip demo, and it is just a tractor, wish I could have got it out on the road. Seems that is what everybbody complains about. |
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Ayr Queensland Australia 4807 | Best of the bad bunch , After quickly reading most of these posts i have my view I work on Deere and have done for a about 25 years and have seen some good machines and some bad ones, more good than bad i think what makes a tractor is the whole package apart from the factory that builds them its up to the dealer to support the tractor ,remember this Deere only sells a tractor once a part once does not sell service and are always there for help, its how the dealer does the backup which makes the tractor. Deere does a good job in support as long as the dealer has the ability to access what is available ,its very hard to explain as i would say that other product would have the same support however they may not have the access Deere has to their dealer , Just my view i must say i have never owned a Deere i just see the broken ones |
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| Support, support, and support. Go to JohnDeereParts.com and you will have your answer. Due to budget I have to run 70's and 80's equipment. Whenever I need parts I can go there and find the part, cost, and even see how many my local dealer has it in stock-even for really old stuff. If they don't they will have it in 24 hours. No one else even comes close to having that kind of support. The parts desk people really appreciate it too when you can call in with a part #. I can't believe Deere has had their site up that long and AGCO and IH still haven't responded.
I do have some implements of other colors. Whenever I have gone in for parts (for a 1984 IH drill once)-the dealer just looked at me like I was pond scum and told me about some aftermarket catalogs where I may be able to get some parts for it-thanks a lot. Also a couple times I have gotten stuck I have called the Deere shop and one of their techs will get on and walk me through it-that means a lot-could just be our local dealership but based on my other experiences I know that wouldn't be happening from our IH dealer.
I do have one smaller Massey tractor, and I must say their shop has been fair with me and done good work. But the lack of that online catalog is big.
Also as I have been upgrading my equipment I haven't yet sold a single piece of greeen equipment for less than I paid for it. That may be true with other brands as well but right are wrong more people in our area want green-so knowing that I will be trading up eventually the resale makes the decision easier. |
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Alberta, Canada | My local AGCO/New Holland dealer has an online site for quite a while now.
You can order parts or check to see what they have in stock and prices.
The old saying of selling it for what you paid for it is well sort a true.
Say A tractor in 1978 selling for $25K new and now today bringing the same if in nice shape. So you got what you paid for it of course....... But really with inflation and all $25K in 1978 and $25K in 2006 is not even close to the same values etc. If you bougth a x brand tractor in 2003 and sold it today and got the same money for it 3000hrs later now that would be good!!
Up here the unthinkable has happened equipment has gone down in price!!!! A few years ago our dollar was in the .60's now its in the high .80's cent range so imported equipment has gone down in price! I know several guys saying they have paid less for the same stuff they bought 3-4 years ago. |
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NE SD | I can almost believe that 765 deal because looking at used ones we could sell our 8220 and be into one with similar hours for less than $20,000. Comment was based on experience.........and quite a difference in price to trade a 9400 in for a 855B compared to a 9520 wheel JD. I really don't like the idear of a two track tractor as the main horse anyhow. I think a twin track has it's place as a row crop tractor but for serious pulling with that kind of horsepower I think you need four points on the ground and that's all there is to it. |
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Flandreau, SD | Sure, 855B is higher priced than 9520 wheeled jd. Even a 9520T is worth more than a 9520 wheel.
What about cat vs deere both tracks. IF you trade to another wheeled why compare a track for price. Not much sense to me.
All the used JD T's I see are less than Cat on price so your green resale is not true if evenly priced when new.
What benifit's in row crops would not apply to full tillage?
"The only brand that costs more than JD" DOH
Cat doesnot make a wheeled 4 wheeler to compare too. duh.
We both are comparing apples to apples.
Edited by agboy 7/30/2006 17:42
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| Four points on the ground? It's not how many, it's how much. An MT855B with 30" belts will have twice as much ground contact area as a 9520 wheel tractor with 710/70R 42's, and no power hop and much less slippage. |
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