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NE Iowa | When I was at work dad hooked the round baler up to a tractor it's not usually on to move it forward in the shed and replace some teeth, grease it, and in general get it ready for next year. When we went to put the baler away we can't get the PTO shaft disconnected from the tractor. It's on Vermeer baler and one of those Waltershield double knuckle ones that have the collar that you pull towards you to release. The little balls in there are definitely not disengaging. Any suggestions? Doesn't appear to be any easy way to get the collar off and I'm not sure how they put them together, pressed on? Very frustrating and never had this happen before. Thanks. |
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Nothern Illinois | maybe use a porta power jaw attachment pull the collar back and spread the jaw....it may work!! |
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Northeast Indiana (Auburn) | Try to spray some type of grease cutter such as Kroil oil or PB Blaster into the sleeve to lube the balls. |
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Wisconsin | If it's on a tractor that you can swap shafts easily take it out where you can get it into the open to work on. Then lube and tap with a hammer to work it loose. |
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Summit County, Ohio | I have had this happen before. I start the pto right as you are turning off the tractor, it should take all the torque off the shaft and the pto will be engaged while the tractor is in off and should be able to take it off the output shaft. |
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Remsen, Iowa | Turn the baler back and forth by hand with a wrench some where on the baler. This may release the torque on the shaft which will let the balls release to do your thing, I need to do this on the auger every time I take the pto off the tractor, make it much easier to do. |
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West Quebec Pontiac where nobody Farms | Hi, whe have the same Problem on Chopperhead for Corn on Combine I fund aut that whe have to Grease more Offten becuse there is lots off Power and dust in dem little Balls use WD4 Rustoff it is Dry on the Shaft and the Balls wont move I use the blue AGCO greas und rub it in to the Balls and do that more offten over the Harvest saesen Have Fun to geht him off I would take the Shaft aut from the Tractor and soock it in Rustoff as the guy mention above . |
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Southwestern Ohio |
WE have a couple of shafts like that, Dad and the boys that work for me have a heck of a time with them. Spray it with penetrating oil and let the thing run for a while, stopping it every once in a while to spray it up again. Then pull back the collar and have somebody tap it with a hammer at the same time.
Larry |
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Nc Ks. | Our JD baler does that on our JD tractors. I've got a 5ft. pry bar with a slight flat bend on the end. Get that between the pto housing on the tractor and the end of the baler shaft. Works about as good as anything I've found. Keep the pto splines lubed good before coupling helps. Neighbor bought a used swather and couldn't unhook it after the first trip to the field. JD mechanic came out and had a heck of time. After they got it off, discovered the splines inside the pto pump of the swather were shot. Good luck. |
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Northeast, Kansas | It could have dirt and grease built up behind the collar you pull back on.
Take the snap ring off remove collar spring and balls clean it up, probably work better than you remember. |
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North Central Iowa | Spray with lube and try twisting the collar when you pull. Had a spreader that would get stuck but it had a sweet spot if you twisted the collar and would come off. I have since replace the end. |
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SC Kansas | I have in the past drove off and it comes apart where it telescopes. Then all all tension is off the splines, then you will find out if its the tractor or where it telescopes ( dry hard grease or bent from turning short) . |
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NC ND | Make sure the torque is off like stated. Spray it down. Then go to NAPA and look for a moveable head pry bar. Has a curved head that you can adjust. The big size is perfect for sliding pto shafts off. Used it for that at least 25 times this fall. Don't evenlook at the price it is worth it. |
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SE MN | Shut off the tractor. We have one that does this a lot. |
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Near Intersection of I-35 & I-90 Southern Mn. | X 2
This Fall I couldn't disconnect the PTO on the stalk chopper. Thought about pulling the pin and driving away.
Turns out there was tension on the PTO, shut the tractor off, PTO relaxed and it unhooked easily. This was with a Deere 7830. |
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w/c Illinois | I agree with Jd7730. You may have an issue on the baler, but I can't get ANY pto shaft off of my 4020 powershift if the tractor is running. Kill the engine and they come right off. It took me several years to stumble onto that solution. Lot's of frustration until then. |
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King City, Mo | Our 1518 brush cutter shaft got stuck to our 7210 one time. I unhooked and slide the shaft out, had let it sit for a couple days spraying it w/ penetrating oil and wacking it with a hammer. Needed the tractor to bale some hay....
Pulled the pickup up and hooked a 2" ratchet strap to the front tow hook, and around the constant volisity joint. Pulled as tight as i could ratcheting the strap. It wouldn't come off....so i stood up on the strap....(Bad idea #1)...i couldn't keep my weight on it so i moved up to the tractor so i could balance my self on the lift arms...then i processed to bounce a little (bad idea #2)...that got the shaft off....it came off, i went to the ground and the constant volicity shaft landed on my big toe. Broke my toe..wife made me to to the ER cuz i wouldn't stop bleeding....($800 co pay)
So to prevent that from having again i ended up replacing the pto shaft on the brush cutter and the tractor and haven't had an issue since...... |
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| rock road is right on as for the jd powershifts--they instantly go from power to brake with no relaxation in between. |
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Idaho | runningbehind - 11/28/2012 05:47
Make sure the torque is off like stated. Spray it down. Then go to NAPA and look for a moveable head pry bar. Has a curved head that you can adjust. The big size is perfect for sliding pto shafts off. Used it for that at least 25 times this fall. Don't evenlook at the price it is worth it.
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Edited by moonshine 11/28/2012 09:45
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No Mans Land , Cimarron co. OK. | use a can of either and a can of PB blaster oh yeah a heavy shop hammer |
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S.E. Sask. | Definitely shut off the tractor as that often makes a big difference in how easy the pto shaft disconnects on mine. Another possiblilty is a twisted shaft that won't allow telescoping. I had one of those Bondoli and Pavesi hollow triangular shafts on a rotary mower. Guess I put a little too much horsepower or too big of a tree through it and the telescoping parts twisted and would not move. Very hard on the u joints. I had to cut a piece off the outer telescoping part so it would slide but its still not easy. |
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NE Iowa | This was my case. Vermeer baler on a 4630JD power shift, so running 1000 rpm shaft. The constant pull/push on the shaft had worn grooves in the little balls and rather than just pulling and forcing I had to slide it back ON and use some finesse. Turn it and tap,turn and tap. Finally, got it unhooked.
Then replace the balls when you get it apart. |
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| Cutting torch. Had this happen once, took the cutting torch cut if off at the tractor casing, went down to JD got new shaft to put in tractor and new pto assembly for baler. |
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Northwestern Minnesota | As someone else said on here said unhook baler and drive ahead and most times the shaft pulls off tractor you guys are way to ambitious pounding and prying, the older i get the less i want to fight with stuff lol |
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Northwestern Minnesota | You must have money Greg and not much paticence lol
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| From reading this I am surprised how many people are unhooking PTO's with the tractor running. I can't do it. I always think that it's just one electrical connection that needs to go bad right when I have my hand on the shaft and I would be wrapped up. |
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Watonwan County MN | +1. After getting caught in a PTO shaft, the tractor ALWAYS is shut off before I get near it. One slip and it's all over. |
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| FarmerFrank - 11/28/2012 09:33
This was my case. Vermeer baler on a 4630JD power shift, so running 1000 rpm shaft. The constant pull/push on the shaft had worn grooves in the little balls and rather than just pulling and forcing I had to slide it back ON and use some finesse. Turn it and tap,turn and tap. Finally, got it unhooked.
Then replace the balls when you get it apart.
We've had the balls sort of mushroom the splines where they seat in the groove. Makes a real pain to get off as hub splines in front of the ball area don't want to slide past the messed up splines. |
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| I don't have any money and I sure as hell don't have any patience. My patience is lower than my bank account, though, so the decesion was easy especially in the heat of the moment. After I cooled down, though, I'm certain there was a much better way, in fact I am positive there is a much better way, LOL. |
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Nc Ks. | pvfarms - 11/28/2012 09:44
As someone else said on here said unhook baler and drive ahead and most times the shaft pulls off tractor you guys are way to ambitious pounding and prying, the older i get the less i want to fight with stuff lol
Been there, done that, but for me the shaft stays on the tractor and you end up sliding the shaft off of the baler. Sometimes then it will come off of the pto, but then you got wrestle getting that heavy-on-one-end splined shaft lined up and slid back together, lol. That's why my first try is with the pry bar. Best thing is to lube up the pto splines before slipping the shaft on. |
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Ohio | We have a silage wagon that usually won't come unhooked from our Deere 7600 unless we shut the tractor off. Stupid pto brake. Never had a problem with our 457 baler on that same tractor though. Those double U joints are a pita to hook up. |
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| I built a removable cradle to help with hooking up and working with double u-joint PTO shafts. Weld about an inch of 3/4" pipe (open end up) on the tongue of the implement that uses it, preferably with a groove ground into the bottom of the pipe so water drains out. Then weld a short length of channel iron (channel up) to a rod that fits into the pipe. That makes a removable cradle you can rest the shaft on while working with it. Fiddle with the length of the rod so that it's tall enough to be useful but short enough to be removed when the shaft is hooked up. Works nicely here anyway. |
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Northwestern Minnesota | Greg i have been there done that also I WANT IT DONE NOW!! lol
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Help - Can't get PTO shaft disconnected from tractor
