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Manitoba | gonna buy a couple diesel pickups, likely 1 ton's as they are virtually same price as 3/4 ton's. We have a 2007 or 2008 ford F-350 now which has been horrible in every way, and the fuel mileage is pathetic. i've heard the newer ford diesels are better but i guess we are little scared of being burnt again with Ford. so that leaves GM and dodge. Between Cummins and Duramax which one is best for fuel, longevity etc. who would have a better tranny (automatic). I prefer the looks of the GM but looks isn't whats important I guess. Any other things to look out for? |
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Strathcona, mn | Personally I'm done with diesel pickups. I can't justify the extra expense and maintenance expenses to run them over gas trucks anymore. |
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EC IL | Duramax has been the way to go for me have had zero troubles. Dodge has been fairly good also, not sure you can make a mistake. I just have nearly always had chevy's and stayed with them. |
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West Central Indiana | Duramax is nowhere near the quality of a Cummins. Cummins is by far the superior diesel engine on the market in just about every facet. They will last forever, are straight-up workhorses, and easy to work on. I am not sure about the fuel mileage on either engine so I cannot comment on that. Used to be that Dodge's trannies were no good. They have gotten significantly better. My neighbor has an 04 cummins and has never had a single tranny problem. (his truck is solely used for pulling trailers and farm work. Has 350,000+ miles.) GM uses the Allison tranny.... enough said there. All-in-all, I don't think you can possibly justify having a Duramax over a Cummins. Just my .02.
By the way, this is all coming from a Ford owner. |
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New york is big but this is Biggar | If you can afford a 70000 dollar truck you can afford the fuel i have yet to see one make do better than other that is my theory |
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Minot ND | Dodge seems the way to go, if they wernt so ugly, took a tour of the big three here, dodge has 13 dead cummins, gm had 24 and ford 140 dead 6.0 ps. |
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| For the amount of em on the road considering the short amount of time duramax has been out compared to cummins, it says a lot for GM |
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WC IL | Have a '12 F350 with the 6.7 diesel. I've got about 28,000 miles on it and have had zero problems. I had the 6.0 and 6.4 and darn near gave up on Ford but am glad I didn't. Mileage runs from 10-12 pulling a heavy trailer to 18-22 highway. Only problems I've had were with the A/C and one backup sensor. All of them have problems, I know people with Dodge and Chevy that have had problems, remember the Duramax injectors, the plugging DPF's on the Cummins. Agree Ford had a couple of egg suckers with their earlier engines, but this one seems like the real deal so far. |
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SE Mo | I've had 5 dodges. 4 has been 2500 and 1--3500 which I currently have one of each. All of them has been good trucks but I haven't kept them past 70000. No troubles just wanted something different or tax purposes. |
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Mather, Manitoba | Had a new 02 and 06 dodge diesel. Currently have a Duramax. I'm thinking of going new again, back to a dodge diesel. Doesn't need def fluid.
On long trips, the cummings aways got better mileage. This Dmax is hard pressed to get much over 20 on long hgy trips. |
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Tilley, Alberta | blue collar - 11/14/2012 16:42
gonna buy a couple diesel pickups
Get one of each!
Edited by DaleTheLoader 11/14/2012 19:37
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central - east central Minnesota - | blue collar - 11/14/2012 17:42 gonna buy a couple diesel pickups, likely 1 ton's as they are virtually same price as 3/4 ton's. We have a 2007 or 2008 ford F-350 now which has been horrible in every way, and the fuel mileage is pathetic. i've heard the newer ford diesels are better but i guess we are little scared of being burnt again with Ford. so that leaves GM and dodge. Between Cummins and Duramax which one is best for fuel, longevity etc. who would have a better tranny (automatic). I prefer the looks of the GM but looks isn't whats important I guess. Any other things to look out for?
If you are pulling more then 70% of the time - Maybe you should give serious consideration to the Gas trucks now?
The gas trks are less money, just as reliable as diesel for high miles, cheaper to run, cheaper to maintian, get as good a mileage as diesels - even pulling light loads, offer the same heavy duty trannys as the diesels and likely have better resale.
I've had diesels all my life, new pickup for me will be gas . ..
For pulling, I'll have a single axel semi trk . . . . .. It would be as cheap as anything and have more breaking power and pulling power then a pick up anyway. .. ..
I see a day, due to the emmisions standards in the USA, were diesel pickups will dwindle down to nothing for sales . . .
Maybe it's different in Canada, but in the US, the diesel is short lived ~ All diesels pickups in the US, will have Def . . think of keeping that flowing in cold weather. Ya, the trk has a heater, but you will need to keep oyour supply heated in the winter, to keep it useable.
All this - in my opinion ( IMO )
Edited by iseedit 11/14/2012 19:40
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SW OH | 250,000 miles on my Duramax and it has been worked like a dog. If I were buying another pickup, I would not even consider anything else.
Transmissions and front end issues, seem to plague the heavy dodges around here.
Just had to stick up for my D-max, best vehicle I ever owned and worked the hardest. |
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N IL | You can't go wrong with an 06 or newer duramax or cummins. With that being said I have a durmax because of the Allison. All of these Dodge guys can go on and on about how nice their trannys are but that because they have never driven and Allison.
With that being said, my next truck will be a 6.7 Cummins with an Allison in it. It can be done, just takes $$$$
I know alot of people above are trying to compare emissions crap but it doesn't matter because it can all be taken off if you have your truck retuned with EFI Live. |
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Flora IL | just saying.. |
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mississippi delta | We've had good luck with the duramax/Allison trucks. Have 4 of them on the place 04,07 classic,07 new body and 11. One set of injectors in the 04, haven't been in it in a while but it had over 300k on the clock the last time I was in it. It's still a 100+ mile daily driven truck. |
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SE Wyoming | I have the unique experience to see everyday the differences between a 2011 Ford F350 SRW diesel, a Dodge 3500 DRW Cummins, and a few 2012 F350 SRW gas engines. All crew cabs. First off the mileage is better on the gas pickups. All three weigh a little over 10,500 lbs and get between 13-14 mpg. The Ford Diesel gets 12.5 all day everyday weighs abouth the same. The Dodge weighs in around 8500 lbs and gets a solid 11.5 all the time. The Fords are much more comfortable to ride in and drive. The Dodge rides a bit smoother than the Ford Diesel, but not as good as the gas ones. As far as power... I was surprised too. The gas engines will just about run away from the diesels. It defies all odds, but anyone is welcome to ride along and see. |
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SW Ontario | jeff gordon - 11/14/2012 19:36
Had a new 02 and 06 dodge diesel. Currently have a Duramax. I'm thinking of going new again, back to a dodge diesel. Doesn't need def fluid.
I think dodge is going to be using urea with the 2013 models. |
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Martinsville, Ohio | I wouldn't consider a different one either Philip, sure been good to us. Like the Cummins but not the truck. Love the Dakota but it was so good they don't make it anymore.
I would love to try an EcoBoost but I don't see any Ford in my future.
The subject is diesel trucks and Duramax is the only one I would own.
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Northeast Louisiana | My brother and I are each on our 3rd Duramax. We put about 40,000 miles per year on our trucks and trade every 3-4 years. We had to put an injector in my first one, and that's literally the only problem out of the 6 we've had. |
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wisconsin | Ive had a 2011 GMC all last winter never had a problem with def. i get about 6000 mi to a tank of def so storing the 5 galons it takes evry 6000 mi is not a real problem All new semi tractors are using def so its here to stay and i dont think the disel engine is in any real threat of extinction in the distant future. |
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Manitoba | thats about the same miles/year as us and we have been trading gas trucks every 4 years or so, was thinking we could maybe keep a diesel abit longer, but with all this Tier 4 crap maybe we should look into the cost/mile of flipping them more frequently. it sounds like both engines are very good, everyone will have a good or bad story i know, but from what i can gather the GM has the edge when it comes to transmission. my FIL has had a few dodge 3/4 ton diesels and i gotta say i don't care for the ride, or the inside of cab, i feel the gm is a bit more refined, but maybe more electronic crap in the cab to screw up with a gm truck too! his dodge trucks have been very reliable tho. |
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| I have owned 2 Chevy's 2500 with Allison, Did have one allision replaced on my 07 at 110,000, but they warrantied it, I had a 100,000 mile powertrain on it and that really helped. I have 190,000 on it now and last week we hauled cattle 10 hours to the lousville cattle show, no problem. I also had a 05, liked it but the newer ones have more ponies. I think the newest trucks are good, but we are going to exit the truck buying business, it is a very poor return business. We are going to run them until they are dead. No more truck payments and no more depreciation. You do what you want but unless you are delivering alot of things run the old stuff and screw the new paint. Most crop farmers have time to be broke down on the side of the road, like 9 months i think:) |
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Northeast Louisiana | Every operation is different I guess. I can live with a tractor being down, but I practically live in my truck and would be helpless if it went down. |
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Fort Morgan, CO | Best way to find out is to test drive. Saying that, if I were buying one today it would be, from first to last, Ford, Chevy, Dodge. There's a reason you see Super Duties all over the place, they're a great all around pickup. Best of luck! |
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Southern Iowa | Can't speak to which engine is better, but in my experence with a Dodge work truck is that after a few years you get tons of small irritating problems. Bad window switchs, seat bottoms collapsing, door latches sticking, bad elec. seat controls, cup holder broken, bad air conditioner, bad radiator.....and on, and on. Granted this is a 10 year old truck, but my chevy with 300,000 miles hasn't had 1/10th the problems as the Dodge with 150,000 miles.
For all I know many of the quality issues have been addressed on newer trucks, but that's my experience. |
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Ludington/Manistee MI area | Both are now older trucks but hired hand has a 04 Duramax w/ Allison and I have a 04 Super Duty V10 I will anyday keep my Super Duty. Never been in a GM product that I didn't find poorly made. |
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ND | Retlaw - 11/14/2012 16:56 If you can afford a 70000 dollar truck you can afford the fuel i have yet to see one make do better than other that is my theory
Isn't that the truth? Wish I had his decision to make. |
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Northern CA | I understand why you would want to give up on Ford. But I have to say, the new 6.7 is a whole new pickup and worth a look |
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| If your looking for fuel mileage the new Fords 6.7 will beat them all. They are getting the best mileage off all off them. Fords cab an mirrors are second to nobody. You will really miss the roominess off the Ford cab when you switch brands. Good Luck |
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Michigan - Saginaw County | Hmmm, so the gas engine is the equal of a diesel...
So, why aren't there any 300HP + new tractors offered with gas?
In fact why aren't there any 150 hp new tractors offered with gas?
In fact, Kubota (and the others) does not offer a gas engine in their tractors above 40 hp.
Show me a gas semi being made today.
If you want a gas pickup, go for it. But don't go around saying it is a better engine than diesel for hauling because factually that is simply wrong.
Just go read the performance tests for 3/4 ton pickups in the magazines - do you see any gas engines exceeding the diesels in even one single pull test?
Of course not.
I'm not brand centric. Currently we have and use Duramax (love em), Cummins (love em), International (lukewarm love), and Mercruiser (believe it or not) diesel engines.
Now, for mileage on the road, I love my little Saturn GAS engine.
Choose the right engine for the job.
denny-o
old GM engine guy |
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Michigan - Saginaw County | Oops, forgot JD diesel also..
The tractor threw a snit when I forgot to list it in our engine list.
Ya know, having the internet on these intelligent tractors has a downside. |
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Iowa | I have a 2011 ram 2500 larime and a 2012 f350, I prefer the ram just because or the seating position and steering. My ram has a h&s blackmaxx n a revmax tranny now and let me tell u what, all the tq gets to the ground now. The ford is bone stock ad runs great, gets good mpg but it feels like u r driving on top of the cab instead of being in it. Plus the steering is so slow it's like herding a cab over semi around without power steering lol. Mpg is very similar, 14-18 in most driving. Dad has a 2011 dmax, drivetrain is great, the rest of the truck needs an upgrade to compare to a ram or ford. The back seat sucks and so does the dash layout. |
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| http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/truck-engine-has-one...
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43935 |
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SE Wyoming | denny-o - 11/15/2012 07:41 Hmmm, so the gas engine is the equal of a diesel... So, why aren't there any 300HP + new tractors offered with gas? In fact why aren't there any 150 hp new tractors offered with gas? In fact, Kubota (and the others) does not offer a gas engine in their tractors above 40 hp. Show me a gas semi being made today. If you want a gas pickup, go for it. But don't go around saying it is a better engine than diesel for hauling because factually that is simply wrong. Just go read the performance tests for 3/4 ton pickups in the magazines - do you see any gas engines exceeding the diesels in even one single pull test? Of course not. I'm not brand centric. Currently we have and use Duramax (love em), Cummins (love em), International (lukewarm love), and Mercruiser (believe it or not) diesel engines. Now, for mileage on the road, I love my little Saturn GAS engine. Choose the right engine for the job. denny-o old GM engine guy
I believe the op questioned the longevity and we morphed into color war. I posted about what my experience has been with each model, and I will stand behind my testimony. On this farm we have tried everything. Each of our employees put 15-25000 miles on a pickup in a year. We have all but eliminated all of the diesels. We kept three. One F450 with a 7.3 because the guy who drives it lives 45 miles from the shop and the 19.5 tires last longer. The others will most likely be gone in the next trade cycle. Seems like if there is a pickup that needs repaired "here", it is a diesel. Glow plugs, turbos, transmissions, it just seems to keep me in a mechanic job. I believe they have there place, I just don't believe it is in our fleet of trucks. If we had thirteen diesels instead of gassers, I would have to hire many more people just to keep them running. I will keep my new "sub-standard" 6.2 gas V-8 and never have to worry about it not starting in the morning or gelling up on the highway on the way to work. |
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Ohio | Duramax would be my choice. The cummins is a good engine but the truck is not up to par. Their trannys might be better now but their front ends still suck. Same with the ford. I'm not a fan of the power stroke. I've driven my neighbors 99 7.3 and to say its a dog is an understatement. My 5.3 GMC Gasser could out pull it. Their front ends suck as well. I've got another neighbor with an 06 f250 with 75000 miles on it. He's had the front end rebuilt once and it needs it again. The steering is so sloppy on both of those trucks. I don't like driving them at 60. You can turn the steering wheel quite a bit before you get a response. Compared to the tight steering on my GMC it feels unsafe. Yes GM front ends like wheel bearings or so they say. I've never had any trouble with mine and neither has my dad my 2 uncles or my grandpa. Wheel bearings are cheap and easy to replace compared to working on a ford or dodge front end. GM trucks ride like a Cadillac. Can't say the same about the other two. |
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Northern CA | If the 7.3 is a dog and can be out pulled by a small gas motor, there must be a major problem with the Ford. The Ford is not for evyone, but it did have a good powerful engine for its day. |
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nw MN | When I get a new pickup next time I will give Ford a second (3rd? LOL) chance despite all the problems in the last 10 years. The new 6.7 has had virtually no problems, or consider the 6.2 gas maybe? The new ford gas engine gets almost twice the fuel mileage of the old v10 or a gm 6 liter gas. Trannies are solid. The chassis is easily the strongest of the 3. I would never give up a solid front axle for the independant front. Yeah the ride is a little rougher, but its a heavy duty truck, not a half ton. I feel your pain on the 6.0 powerstroke in your 2007. Mine is at the shop right now actually, and I know the 6.4 in your 2008 was not much better, but I am sticking with ford when it goes down the road. I WILL skip the diesel option myself, but if you pull a lot you'd be crazy not to get a diesel. Towing all day with my dad's 2004 w/ 5.4 gas and I would be tired! My 6.0 diesel cut the fatigue in half.
2nd choice for me would be the GM. I like the look of the exterior, but I just hate how cheap the interiors look/ feel. Duramax/Allison is a very nice combo. The front ends are way too light to run a snowplow on them without some kind of prep package, but they sure ride nice. Also, when I have driven a 2011 2500hd I cant see shII for about 20 feet right in front of the truck, the geometry of the hood makes it a real strain to see when maneuvering in tight spots. They almost need a back up camera in the front LOL.
I would NEVER buy a dodge ( or now they are just RAM trucks I guess?) even though the 5.9 cummins is the best engine out of the 3. The chassis and drivetrain are terrible, and have been for so long I cant remember it being any other way. I am sure people will give me crap on this one LOL.
Remember on the new diesels you'll be pouring 35 gallons of DEF in with every oil change. Depending on how expensive this stuff stays it could really add to your maintenance costs. right now it doubles the cost of an oil change. Ford went to def in 2011, Gm in 2012, and Ram will build it's 2013's requiring it. You might be able to avoid the hassle with a carry over model, except the ford you would end up with a 6.4 again.
Edited by OlsonKrist 11/16/2012 02:59
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new diesel pickup...which brand?
