Flip37 - 1/19/2012 00:07 Yes, some of our ground we are going at aggressively. Some of my growers are pushing 93 day maturities on some of their corn and we have gotten 190+ averages on some fields. Most guys are going for 150-160. I have never used Base Saturation or ratios or anything like that either, but was hoping maybe a certain somebody (soil-life) would chime in to tell me how to fix these ratios if that would make a difference. I have guys that would do trials, but what do you do? Its damn near impossible to build on these soils, do we just put crop removal on. Is that enough? If we put more than crop removal on are we just losing it to fixation? When you figure it takes like 10 lbs of K to bring it up one ppm that is a hell of a lot of potash. Same with P. I have fields from 2 ppm to 15. Most in the 3-8 range. When it takes 20 lbs of P to bring it up one ppm (guesstimate) that is a boatload of P. I was real curious to hear what soil-life would say about our type of ground, but I guess he would rather stick with that easy stuff down south you can actually fix. Maybe that will get him to comment. geee Flip, in the past month or so we have dealt several times with soils such as yours. Do a search or maybe someone can post some links to soils such as You deal with. well, In My opinion there is not much you can do with Ca. and Mg. Flip But the Adjustment of the Cation K may pay you well over time. 1. do not gear your Fertilizer application program to ( Move Numbers ) on a soil analysis. 2. Gear all of your Fertilizer recomindations to give You Maximum Yields and Maximum Profits. 3. IF You are selling fertilizer products. You need to understand soil science and soil chemistry better than anyone else and be able to sell a viable fertility program to Your customers. That Works. 4. P is critical on Your soils But soil analysis numbers may not correlate into yield. 5. there is NO reason that all your customers should be going for the 180 to 200 bu. total field sold Bu. averages. If they fertilize for 150 to 160 Bu that is what they will grow. 6. what I see as critical on Your soils A. do NOT underestimate the application of Sulfate. 40 to 60 plus # applied per season. will work B. Lots of 11-52-0 No Liquid P recommended by Myself. for many reasons. and ONLY 11-52-0 C. this soil will Eat K. But will respond over time to Lots of a good, long term ROI D. Zinc. every time you make a broadcast application. add some Zinc sulfate. E. Nitrogen, these soils Need Lots of soil applied Nitrogen. 1 to 1.4 Lbs of applied N will be needed to produce a Bu. of Corn. Over time. some Higher performing seed corn Numbers will be viable and you may even start to look at 100 to 105 day Corn. 200 Bu. corn annually is quits feasible on Your soils. If the grower is willing to invest in the correct inputs to raise those Yields with a VERY Profitable Return per acre. Drainage and soil Percolation are so very critical to any one fertility program working. Again, Your Calcium and Magnesium are what they are. Learn to Deal with what you have and use it to YOUR advantage. Improving Your soil chemistry skills. IF Your customers are all growing 200 plus Bu. annually after a few seasons, Be Patient. Your Happy and Healthy sales potential Base will be unlimited. I have pointed out a few issues that I think you can dwell on this spring. and study more as to what you can offer this fall. Walk some fields when they are Knee High and collect a few tissue analysis and soil analysis. Observe well what you see. Do the same thing when the Corn is waist to shoulder high. talk to the farmers, Learn. Observe and learn. Listen and Learn. I like Ben's suggestions. But for a Farmer with maximum Management ability's. with Objective vision I would tweak Ben's Numbers a Little. Add More N Split 3 ways P. the same More K Lots of Sulfate Lots of Zinc , Broadcast only Flip, you are welcome to Email me if you have further questions | 
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