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WC MN | I'm curious if guys are to busy or what no comments on a nice up day in the grains is everyone in shock or what. |
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northwest tennessee | They are scared. |
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sw corner ia. | considering the flood of trucks on the road today, I would agree that fear is right up front. |
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NW Ohio | We're not in Spain.......Never get in the way of a charging bull.. :) |
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| Looks like corn is trying to establish a new uptrend line that is not as steep as the last one we fell through with the upper side of the channel hit on todays highs in dec corn |
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| Maybe there all out walking the corn fields around me wondering what the hell happened to the corn. If this is how VT3 and Smartstax, Herculex handle the pressure i guess I'm ready to go back to bin run corn. |
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North Central Illinois | VT3 and Smartstax as compared to what? Are you saying that your conventional corn handled the excessive moisture in June and now the dry better than the traited corn? No matter what the traits mother nature still has to cooperate. Go ahead and plant bin run and let me know how that works out for you. |
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| Honestly? We've got a couple of strait line hybrids I think are gonna kick the VT3's butt. |
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| All we are told is how much stress this new corn will handle and how much better the yield at a 'small price increase" every year. I have a flat black farm, well tiled, high fertility, high nitrogen (sidedressed) planted at 35000. It has headline on it, was not pounded by heavy rains in June like the rest of mine, has had 2 rains on it in July that is a major dissapointment. This farm has never been under stress, still hasn't rolled to date. So why with this great new technology is it 14-16 rows around and 25-35 long? I custom sprayed some yesterday that has had alot of water on it, but still with the great new technology it was about 5' high, fully tassled with very few ears. It had a perfect stand, good color and i don't think it will make 25 BPA. All this for $250 a bag. What a deal! I know alot of places are wonderful, ( I'm reminded every day on here) but there will be alot of upset people around "here" if they haven't taken a walk thru there fields before the combines roll. |
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southwest illinois |
I have never seen a warranty on a bag of seed........and a banker doesn't care what your field yields in bushels per acre
Do you like being a share cropper for a seed company?...at $300 per bag you're probably there |
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| Actually yes I would say that. I have refuge corn that will smoke SS corn. So yea maybe next year a little bin run is in order. If it falls to loan rate like many think because they have 340 bpa corn it will be a bargain. $2 corn planted @ 35000=$.78 an acre for seed cost. Might even go all corn and up the rate a touch. |
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Eastern Ont | Educate me please
I thought that you could not plant a hybrid corn
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| Planted some in 1971, made good corn. Couldn't get new corn due to blight. Heck of a lot better than flint corn that the companies brought in. The only way to find out the truth is to try it ourselves, Universities belong to the seed corn companies . |
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| I agree Roger walked a bunch of my corn sunday some real disappointments out there. They can keep smartstax and triple pro. I may plant all 5280 and 5640 wyfells next year strait RR 140 bucks a bag. They are taking stress great, no aborted kernals and hardly any tipback. Guess I didnt need as much N as I thought. |
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| a little over 180 BPA ----hardly a crop failure
this yield estimate by my DEKALB slide rule calculator
16x35at 35K =220 bpa
best of luck to ya |
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mascoutah, IL | Had quite a few hybrids last year with 16 x 30 ears at 34,000 pop that ran well over 200 bpa. Quit counting kearnals and look at the kearnal depth. Have one hybrid that seldomly goes over 14 round and 30-35 long and beats the pants off of 18 and 20 round hybrids.
Edited by dmswil 7/28/2010 22:24
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North Central Illinois | You go ahead and plant your conventional or bin run or whatever the hell you want. The traits pay on my farm year in year out. Yes, we do yield checks with the traits versus the refuge and there is always enough of an increase to pay the freight on the traits. We are in a very hot area for rootworm pressure. I think that is the main reason that the VT3 is a money maker for us. Insecticide just won't hold and give the kind of control that the rootworm trait does. If you live in an area that is fortunate to not have a lot of pressure I could see where it might not pay. Guess what? Don't plant it. Its that simple. Do whatever works for you on your farm. Don't judge me for what I do on my farm though. The good news for haters of Monsanto and traits in general is that there is a shift by the seed companies back toward providing some more options in conventional hybrids. Lets face it they haven't been putting the cream of the crop genetics in their conventional programs for several years. They are starting to see that there is a demand for it and are responding. I think it is a win win for everybody. The guys that don't want traits are going to have more options and the guys that do want them are going to be paying less for them because Monsanto is squirming a little right now. Good luck. |
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| Illinois Steve Pal, I am a Monsanto dealer. I have sold seed 1984, farmed since 82. This ain't my 1st rodeo, hope like hell it ain't my last. I call a spade a spade, don't give a **** about what monsanto, pioneer,syngenta or anyone cares. I'm about making me money. Glad to hear VT3 makes you money, hopefully it works here too. Quite scepitcal right now, my calls, my opinion. As far as rootworm pressure, go ahead and ask Bugkiller about it. I believe the epicenter started about 2 miles from him, 15 miles away from me. But I guess you know my farms much better than me, Thanks for the scouting lesson. I wouldn't have a clue. Insecticide treated corn is fine here, will be more next year.
Now that I have you for a farm manager and tara farms to hedge my grain I think I will just sit back and count my money. TIA |
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| After re reading your post I couldn't agree more. Monsanto is putting "the cream of their crop genetics" in their newer genetics. Take a drive down and see what regular corn looks like, you might be like "mikey". (I like it) maybe you don't remember the commercial? |
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| Lets use the numbers I presented, 35000 planted x 95%= 33250x15x30=14962500 divided by 95000=157.5. 95000 is probably a gift since it is dry and kernel depth is VERY shallow. Yes it is a crop failure for what I have in it. Just a bit of information for ya, don't take the highest nimbers I present and run numbers, use the average. Thats what I use every day and that is on the highs side. I after all did walk the field and provide the numbers. Thanks |
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North Central Illinois | Take a couple of deep breaths. I know exactly where you are coming from. I've been there. I have had what I considered to be bad crops before and felt like no one believed me or that I was the Lone Ranger. I'm not telling you how to run your farm or manage it or whatever. I was just pointing out that depending on your rootworm pressure traited corn may not pay on your farm. It does pay on my farm. As I mentioned insecticide just wont hold here. If it works for you that is great. If you think you can plant bin run corn and make more money than using traited corn now this is just plain crazy. I understand that you and many other folks are having a bad year. Heck things don't look spectacular around here but I am counting myself lucky as it still looks to be a decent crop. You need to relax a little. Don't take everything everybody says on here so personal. If things are that rough where you are at quit walking your fields. I don't mean that as a smartass comment either. You are only going to make yourself feel worse. There isn't anything you can do about it at this point. Are you anywhere around Gilman perhaps? |
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| The comment about bin run corn WAS a joke. I'm just pointing out there doesn't seem to be this great yield advantage for more traits "here". Shouldn't we see the obvious when we are being stressed? I also am not saying it is a 1988 type of year, just very frustrating to read weather forecasts day after day about how great the weather is. Frese-Notis today once again says a little above normal with normal rainfall. Later in their comments it will only be 92-98. Maybe it's just me but I think that is hot,especially when we have been very humid for 6 weeks. 25 miles northwest of Gilman who by the way had a nice 1" rain last weekend. |
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North Central Illinois | Okay, I have an Uncle who lives in Gilman. As far as Freese Notis and some of those other weather services it doesn't seem like they have had much of a track record this year. I used to subscribe to one but have found other sources for free on the internet that are much more reliable. The guys at DTN have been pretty much spot on with their weather discussions and forecasts all spring and summer. A lot of Coops have DTN weather available on their websites for free. There is a chance of rain tomorrow. Here is hoping that you and Ron both get some! Oh, by the way we are seeing Goss' Wilt in some of our corn. Any of that in your area? Seed guys say it is pretty common this year. Good luck. |
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| Haven't seen any yet, maybe next week lol. Hopefully we get something this weekend. I think Ron even got shorted more so than us last weekend. Temp is much better today if only it had rained. At least the market is up! |
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