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NWC Ohio | By your replys in this thread that GL cant possibly work because of how you tested it and how you have been led belive everthing works, it shows that your head is exploding. If you "don't have the tolerance for stupidity and people trying to sell snake oil" then why do you feel the urgent need to pound your chest and beller out to everyone that your the supreme authorithy on the topic and we should all just listen to you while you tear it down because it didnt work your way? If you truely didn't have the patience, then you you would just ignore the topic.
Who or what makes you the supreme authority on every product "such as this" and if it works or not? Just because it didn't work for you the way you tested it in your tests, does't mean it can't work otherwise. GL (nitrogen water) makes no claim to be anything like Pivot Bio (nitrogen fixing biology in a jug). They are two totally different methodologies of getting N to a plant. You can't compare the two to each other. You can only compare the results on how they affected the plant. Could be plant growth/tonnage or yield/bushels in however the crop is measured.. Yes I too tried Pivot Bio (thanks for reviving that otherwise dead topic) and did not get results that incresed my ROI. However it did show a yield responce in some instances. Some dairy guys cutting silage claim to have had a positive ROI when using PB because of tonnage gains when harvesting the whole plant for feed. How did the PB treated silage feed and what was it's affect of milk production? None of them could answer me that because they never thought to do those kinds of tests. Notice it quickly ran it course and died (at least on here and most other conversations I've have), along with at least one other copy cat product/company with similar claims (I forget that companies name).
Really? So if it's so simple, drill a well and put up an irrigation pivot. This should be your biggest ROI since you claim water is your BIGGEST limiting factor. Throw more water and commercial fertilty at a crop and walla! You're the worlds best crop producer! Oh wait, I haven't heard of anyone with irrigation getting those yields either, even with what they call extreme managment. Sure they can get some extrememly high yields compared to some, but it's not the whole farm avaerage either. It's just a few acres in compariosn to their farm size.
You can put out all the fertility in the world, and even with rain you won't have a crop. The excessive toxicity of the fertility will kill the plant, and if enough is overapplied it can sterilize the area for years after. Also you can have all the rain you ever could imagine and the "right" fertility and still not have a crop. Plants need more than just rain and fertility (naturaly occuring or externaly applied) to grow. In reality, commercial fertility is the thing it needs the least of.
Yes you did. You are still claiming that nitrogen and how a plant can be affected by it is an "only one way mathmatically and scientifically according to you" way that it can happen. I agree that the way they market and promote GL is fairly misleading and how it affects the plant is absolutly different than traditional commercial N sources. I still don't think the GL people understands this either. You wanna rally against GL marketing and claims, I won't argue that. But to just tear it down that it can't work at all because of the results of your tests I can't agree with.
BTW I have seen lab results and you probably wouldn't belive them anyways. It's still my contention (as it was from the start, and I got drug into the GL saga) It's not about the amount of N in the water, its about how the overall product affects the growing enviroment and the plant. Similarly, it's not about the quantity of fertility (natrual or commercail applied) available to a plant that influences yield, it's how the growing plant responds to the whole growing enviroment that influences crop yield. As long as you stay stuck inside the box of education you bought that it takes XXX pounds of N,P,K = 1 bushel of grain, that will always be your biggest limiting factor. Sure, you can make that theory work and even be successful, but your still going to be limited in potential.
last note: no one has bought PB, GL water, or a GL machine after talking with me that I know of. Some are still curious and hope that GL has a place in helping them decreses their dependance on commercial N and increase their total ROI. I don't sell it, nor do I peddle it, but I'm still curious. | |
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