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1972RedNeck
Posted 4/20/2025 23:33 (#11196653 - in reply to #11196635)
Subject: RE: Tillage vs No Tillage %


Townsend, Montana
BryceH - 4/20/2025 22:49

1972RedNeck - 4/20/2025 21:29

BryceH - 4/20/2025 22:23

95% tillage and 5% no-till. Just to damn dry here to make no-till work but it would sure be slick.


How so?

I hear people claim that they are "too wet" to not till. Almost makes sense to me but I can't comprehend "too wet". We are the driest of dry and no till is a no brainer here...


If a weed isn't growing it can't be killed with spray... Prime example is a kochia plant that sprouted in June and got bigger then a couple inches by late June early July. Red freon grass is another prime example. If these weeds get started and we don't see a rain for 8-12 weeks they just can't be terminated with chem but will struggle along enough to hurt your fallow period. To add to it this is 25 bu wheat country. At $5 a bu thats $125 gross an acres. By the time you pay rent, equipment costs, labor, etc theres not a lot of room for chem outside of RUP and 24D

Quick search shows you get pretty good rains in the summer months. We used to, but that last 5 years we regularly won't see much then a couple .3-.6" storms from mid Jun till late October.

https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?mt8324

It should be noted I'm organic and cant no-till regardless. I see a couple neighbors try though and they are pretty damn good farmers. Just tough country some years.


Interesting. Last year we had just shy of 5" total. 25 miles south got 15". I know dry.

Seems like our higher elevation and latitude makes kochia a non issue.

Russian thistle is our bane here. But it was so dry last fall it didn't even sprout after harvest.

I can't argue that in the desert climate, there isn't a single weed that is resistant to a Noble Blade plow.

HRW seeded at 10 #/ac did well last year compared to the recommended seeding rates. Got that tidbit from a fellow AgTalker from your part of the world.

Old timer once told me to seed my pounds per acre at the expected yield (bu/ac) for the next year. When asked about population, he couldn't care less. If you're seeding the previous years crop, it will work. And it seems to work.

Seed dealer recommended I seed 75 pounds per acre. I seeded 40# based off the old timers recommendation. Made a couple passes at 10 pounds just for kicks and a comment from TMRand.

Made 18 bu/ac. 10# paid the best. Better protein and test weight.

Edited by 1972RedNeck 4/20/2025 23:43
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