Wisconsin | ccjersey - 3/30/2025 00:02
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You don’t want to give much credit to vaccination for saving lives and increasing our “health and logevity"...
No, I don't. I'm not arguing the effectiveness of the measles vaccine, at least in the short term, and/or individually. I'm saying that's not what changed in the world between the video in the cemetery with all the babies in the video, or a local cemetery I pointed out to my children, a female died at 16 years sometime in the mid 1800's, and an identical stone with same last name and two dates a week or so apart and within a few days of the first's date of death. I'm saying there is a fairly low probability that a full vaccination schedule would have saved either one of them, or 90% of the babies in the cemetery in the video.
I've used that same argument when talking about raw milk, raw milk probably didn't kill the mother and child, lack of milk, and firewood and good shelter probably did. So "science" through good prenatal care, a hospital birth and stay, probably would have saved the mother and child, but the medical part of that is less important than the calories part.
Measles, rubella, tetanus, rabies, etc. are the examples that people use when they want to prove vaccine effectiveness. Just like starting climate change comparisons around 1980, or comparing the US to Norway, rather than Venezuela. I mentioned a "short term bump" from vaccines. I think vaccines undoubtedly have provided a short term boost to health, but like sanitation and "wealth" that affect may be short term. The man wealthy enough to stop logging and take up golf may reduce his chance of death short term, but quite possibly on a society level the population won't be any healthier after forty years of everybody not working. So keeping up vaccines may or may not continue the benefit. |
Please believe in science.
