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Mid Michigan | The Midland (MI) Sun Oct 8 1925 PAGE 1
"SUDDEN DEATH OF A YOUNG MAN
Carey Vlier Died Thursday of Infection- Was Injured Sept 20
Sunday Sept 20 Carey suffered serious bruises and a wound under his left arm which required 10 stitches when he endeavored to put an enraged bull back into his stable. The animal had broken out from his stall and was in the barnyard. Carey was knocked to the ground and gored by the animal after he had made several attempts to snap the lead rope into the ring in the animal's nose. Medical aid was given at once and no serious effects were evident until about a week later when infection was discovered. ......................"
One of my mother's 5 sisters was married to Steven Vlier.
I was in their barn about 20 years later and the bull pen was made of 2-inch pipe.
The farm was east of Midland on the county line to Bay County. It is now home to many businesses including a new Costco, The county jail is there and an ice rink where the barn yard was. I make up a story the bull was shot and is buried under the face-off circle of the north ice rink.
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Had a neighbor that was 75 or so at the time had a bull break both arms. He was living with his sister (neither married) and I could only imagine having my sister wipe my butt for probably a month. Both his arms were in casts and propped up out to the side of him in a somewhat rigid looking position. That would have been no fun.
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| An acquaintance trailered three bulls of his to the closest veterinarian for sperm testing. Guy had raised all three bulls from baby calves born on his ranch. He said last thing he remembered was standing in a pen with the bulls as the veterinarian and an employee were standing close by. They were in the process of moving each bull into and through the squeeze chute. I don't recall if more than one of the bulls roughed him up or just one. He didn't see it coming. It was lights out pretty quick. I think the vet and employees had to force the bulls into another pen before they could try to help the now unconscious owner lying on the ground.
I was sitting with him at a restaurant after he was well enough to be released from the closest hospital. Broken ribs, severe bruising, collapsed lung, and lacerated liver.
We had a frightful experience with a bull after trailering all the bulls to a main corall on the ranch for the same vet to come out for testing. There were too many bulls to trailer into town for testing. We were attempting to get the bulls to go into a smaller pen. I think there were five or six of us guys there that morning assisting with the bulls. The bulls weren't cooperating with being moved closer to the chute. I was in the bigger pen and saw the obvious body language of one bull in particular. That was when I knew to make a slow, but safe exit and keep a bale feeder between myself and that one bull while climbing out. I believe it wasn't long until the rest of the guys saw my exit and they soon followed. One of the macho guys walked up to the pipe fence and began popping the bull on its nose with a stock whip. This guy had been hurt several times in the past and apparently still thought poking the bear was the thing to do despite him already missing several front teeth.
Anyone with any sense wouldn't have been popping that bull on the nose to aggravate it more. But the guy persisted. Meanwhile I started looking for something to climb up on as it was evident there would more than likely be a giant angry bull on the wrong side of the pipe fence. That bull got angrier and moved to a different side of the pen. The guys started yelling at it and that bull finally had enough. He turned and made a straight run for them. That pipe fence didn't stop him. Blood was all over his head while he aimed for the guy running parallel down the fence. The bull was right on the man's heels. It looked like someone was about to no longer exist in a few seconds. But the guy managed to make a quick right turn and head towards a tree lined fence. The bull kept going straight and headed for a Farm to Market road. We hopped in a pickup and got way ahead of him where I opened a gate and quickly left. That bull put himself up in that pasture. We weren't sure if he would charge at the pickups so we kept a safe distance away.
Edited by Mr Green Jeans 8/31/2024 11:34
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Faunsdale, AL | It used to be very common.
Every dairy had a bull or two. There were lots of dairy farms. Most/many cows and bulls had horns. The ranches and beef cattle operations more often than not had horses but they were pretty much superfluous as far as handling cattle on a small dairy farm.
Artificial insemination and frozen semen distribution made the dairy business a lot safer!
Edit.., I’ll add dehorning in here. I am in my 60’s and I don’t quite remember when the last big bull was dehorned here. By the time I can remember, EVERY calf got dehorned though it was only done after frost in the fall and before flies came out in the spring, so some had bigger than small horns by the time they were removed.
When we finally wised up and realized that dehorning could be properly done at a month or two of age, at any time of year, with no scurs growing back, it made a big difference in the attitude of the cattle.
There’s an old expression that describes a soldier having “seen the elephant” meaning they had been in combat. I’ve “seen the bull” or really the body language of the bull when you know your position is untenable. My older brother made a mis-step when he was in that situation and had his leg badly bruised and had infection and abscesses with a long recovery. In my case I was able to leap out of the pen but in my haste I came down across a trough on the other side. Only broke a rib or two! I think I came out far better than he did.
Great grandfather was killed by being kicked by a horse in 1918. I’m sure he was very experienced and used to handling horses, but still got kicked in the head I think. Animals are always a little more unpredictable than machinery. Most accidents we have today can be predicted. Dealing with animals is a little harder to be completely safe, but bulls are in a risk class of their own!
The most subtly dangerous ones I’ve ever seen have been those that were “hand raised” and kept tame as they grew up. The owner/handler seldom makes the mental transition required when the bull matures and becomes territorial.
The bull that gets steamed up in a pen is pretty obvious. The one you have raised and scratched his head all his life can bypass your defenses! Have heard of that resulting in death of owner several times and have dealt with purchased bulls that fit that mold.
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| ccjersey - 8/31/2024 11:11
It used to be very common.
Every dairy had a bull or two. There were lots of dairy farms. Most/many cows and bulls had horns. The ranches and beef cattle operations more often than not had horses but they were pretty much superfluous as far as handling cattle on a small dairy farm.
Artificial insemination and frozen semen distribution made the dairy business a lot safer!
There’s an old expression that describes a soldier having “seen the elephant” meaning they had been in combat. I’ve “seen the bull” or really the body language of the bull when you know your position is untenable. My older brother made a mis-step when he was in that situation and had his leg badly bruised and had infection and abscesses with a long recovery. In my case I was able to leap out of the pen but in my haste I came down across a trough on the other side. Only broke a rib or two! I think I came out far better than he did.
Great grandfather was killed by being kicked by a horse in 1918. I’m sure he was very experienced and used to handling horses, but still got kicked in the head I think. Animals are always a little more unpredictable than machinery. Most accidents we have today can be predicted. Dealing with animals is a little harder to be completely safe.
I've been around the macho, hardheaded type men who appear to be much like the man shown on a video here on NAT where the elephant had enough of the poor treatment. One guy was missing front teeth and had been care flighted after he was seriously injured by cattle. You would think he had learned something but apparently not. He and I did not get along at all. He was always the type calling others pu_____ when you wouldn't do the same stupid risky stuff he did.
We were sorting some aggressive bulls and heifers in a small pen on foot. Guy would still do his same old trash talking to everyone and anyone. I had to leave to feed horses before the morning got any later. Came back and that same trash talker was bleeding and banged up pretty bad. He was moaning and bent over. The other guys had to drag him out from the same pen after a mean heifer tried to mash him into the side of a barn. I later had to deal with that same heifer at another location she had been trailered to. We got rid of her.
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Lenawee Co Michigan | If the bull killed your uncle's brother, then he killed your other uncle, right?
Larry and Larry |
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68340 | Neighbor just across the road was tagging a new calf and the cow drove him into his pickup and killing him on the spot.
45 years ago a Holstein bull killed a man's hired hand working with the bull. |
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Faunsdale, AL | I said above, most accidents we have today can be predicted…….thats not quite true.
It’s hard to predict what other drivers on the highway will do. Even with driver training and licensure, we’re still animals after all!
I should have put it this way, many farming accidents can be prevented by making better choices…..don’t drive that equipment home after dusk, don’t go in that grain bin etc.
In the bull situation, call a halt when that bull gets steamed up. Maybe put some cows in with him and work them as a group, get some feed, bring in a bale of hay with a tractor etc. Lots of ways to defuse the situation, but you have to be smarter than the bull instead of just faster!
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Texas | Wife’s grandmother got killed by a bull .
I have been run over last year . Thankfully did not get hurt much .
Yes to the other replies a gentle one will hurt you too . |
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xenia ohio | My cousin was checking his cattle and while walking back toward the house his bull blind sided him. Bull never showed any signs of aggression before. Broke several ribs and a hip and I think coller bone. Healing was a long ordeal.
He recovered but was then involved in an auto accident and broke many of the same bones just healed. Walking with a cane 20 years now. |
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Fontanelle, IA | Mr Green Jeans - 8/31/2024 09:10
We had a frightful experience with a bull after trailering all the bulls to a main corall on the ranch for the same vet to come out for testing. There were too many bulls to trailer into town for testing. We were attempting to get the bulls to go into a smaller pen. I think there were five or six of us guys there that morning assisting with the bulls. The bulls weren't cooperating with being moved closer to the chute. I was in the bigger pen and saw the obvious body language of one bull in particular. That was when I knew to make a slow, but safe exit and keep a bale feeder between myself and that one bull while climbing out. I believe it wasn't long until the rest of the guys saw my exit and they soon followed. One of the macho guys walked up to the pipe fence and began popping the bull on its nose with a stock whip. This guy had been hurt several times in the past and apparently still thought poking the bear was the thing to do despite him already missing several front teeth.
Anyone with any sense wouldn't have been popping that bull on the nose to aggravate it more. But the guy persisted. Meanwhile I started looking for something to climb up on as it was evident there would more than likely be a giant angry bull on the wrong side of the pipe fence. That bull got angrier and moved to a different side of the pen. The guys started yelling at it and that bull finally had enough. He turned and made a straight run for them. That pipe fence didn't stop him. Blood was all over his head while he aimed for the guy running parallel down the fence. The bull was right on the man's heels. It looked like someone was about to no longer exist in a few seconds. But the guy managed to make a quick right turn and head towards a tree lined fence. The bull kept going straight and headed for a Farm to Market road. We hopped in a pickup and got way ahead of him where I opened a gate and quickly left. That bull put himself up in that pasture. We weren't sure if he would charge at the pickups so we kept a safe distance away.
Anyone that provokes any of my livestock like that would be escorted off the property. Seriously enraging a bull so that critter remembers it the next time and looks to hurt some innocent unsuspecting person. No F'n Thank you.
There is no call for it. That's a pussy move on his part - behind a fence? Probably the same kind of "tool" to put his wife and kids in the way of harm to protect himself.
I'd root for the bull too.
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North Central Illinois | PaKettle - 8/31/2024 11:41
If the bull killed your uncle's brother, then he killed your other uncle, right?
Larry and Larry
Not necessarily. My father's sister is my aunt and her husband is my uncle. However my uncle's brother in that case is no relation at all except that he is my uncle's brother. |
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SW Wisconsin | ccjersey - 8/31/2024 11:11
The most subtly dangerous ones I’ve ever seen have been those that were “hand raised” and kept tame as they grew up. The owner/handler seldom makes the mental transition required when the bull matures and becomes territorial.
The bull that gets steamed up in a pen is pretty obvious. The one you have raised and scratched his head all his life can bypass your defenses! Have heard of that resulting in death of owner several times and have dealt with purchased bulls that fit that mold.
I like cows that are used to being handled, but if I can avoid it once a bull is weaned I avoid touching them, especially on the head.
I've never been seriously hurt, but I've sent a few bulls to the slaughter sale that I would have liked to hang on to a little longer and then sold them for breeding. |
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| Baby Robin - 8/31/2024 13:37
Mr Green Jeans - 8/31/2024 09:10
We had a frightful experience with a bull after trailering all the bulls to a main corall on the ranch for the same vet to come out for testing. There were too many bulls to trailer into town for testing. We were attempting to get the bulls to go into a smaller pen. I think there were five or six of us guys there that morning assisting with the bulls. The bulls weren't cooperating with being moved closer to the chute. I was in the bigger pen and saw the obvious body language of one bull in particular. That was when I knew to make a slow, but safe exit and keep a bale feeder between myself and that one bull while climbing out. I believe it wasn't long until the rest of the guys saw my exit and they soon followed. One of the macho guys walked up to the pipe fence and began popping the bull on its nose with a stock whip. This guy had been hurt several times in the past and apparently still thought poking the bear was the thing to do despite him already missing several front teeth.
Anyone with any sense wouldn't have been popping that bull on the nose to aggravate it more. But the guy persisted. Meanwhile I started looking for something to climb up on as it was evident there would more than likely be a giant angry bull on the wrong side of the pipe fence. That bull got angrier and moved to a different side of the pen. The guys started yelling at it and that bull finally had enough. He turned and made a straight run for them. That pipe fence didn't stop him. Blood was all over his head while he aimed for the guy running parallel down the fence. The bull was right on the man's heels. It looked like someone was about to no longer exist in a few seconds. But the guy managed to make a quick right turn and head towards a tree lined fence. The bull kept going straight and headed for a Farm to Market road. We hopped in a pickup and got way ahead of him where I opened a gate and quickly left. That bull put himself up in that pasture. We weren't sure if he would charge at the pickups so we kept a safe distance away.
Anyone that provokes any of my livestock like that would be escorted off the property. Seriously enraging a bull so that critter remembers it the next time and looks to hurt some innocent unsuspecting person. No F'n Thank you.
There is no call for it. That's a pussy move on his part - behind a fence? Probably the same kind of "tool" to put his wife and kids in the way of harm to protect himself.
I'd root for the bull too.
He is no longer an employee. A complicated ordeal that was awful. There were things that occurred under a suspicious nature. Will just say that there are opinions of who was directly involved. |
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Faunsdale, AL | One of my aunts raised a couple heifers that were blind. She kept them in the small pen out back of her house and they did fine. When they had had a couple calves each, they started having only bulls. In fact they, their first heifer calves and several other heifers she bought in sales etc ALL had bulls. Her “herd” had 17 or 18 bull calves in a row over several years! So, somewhere along the line she advertised in the local classified paper or something and sold a few of the calves for breeding instead of just taking them to the sale barn. She finally started having a more normal ratio of heifers but it was a LONG dry spell!
Couple years later a lady called her up and asked if she “wanted” the bull she had sold them back. Of course she said no, she wasn’t interested. Then the lady told her the bull had killed her husband recently.
Edit….my aunt didn’t raise the bulls on a bottle, they were ones that were nursing the blind cows so they were around people and tame, calm cows, but not made pets of when they were sold before they were old enough to breed.
I think the woman said it was totally unexpected that the bull went after her husband. Maybe she wasn’t really aware and there was signs things were getting dangerous but guess we won’t ever know.
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Central Minnesota | About 20 years ago we were loading cattle to pasture and it was the last load for the day. There was room to put the bull in the last compartment. He didn’t want to load so I should have quit but I thought one more time. He circled and somehow he managed to kick me in the head. Broken eye socket and jaw. Four plates and a chain with screws holding my jaw and eye socket together were needed to put it back together. Took most of a year to get feeling better. I feel lucky as it could have been worse. |
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West Chazy, New York | Jean Lemmerman once told me that the handlers at NOBA preferred a bull to have horns that had been shortened rather than removed. They claimed that the horns had saved a few of them by making the bull's head too wide to crush the handler into a corner, or in one case, the gutter after the handler took a dive. They also claimed that the horns gave one last chance to use as a handle to try to push away from the bull if he charged. Their facilities were first rate; extremely heavy pipe fences and a policy that the handler was always on one side of the fence and the bull on the other as they moved from the stalls to the collection arena, but close calls still happened once in awhile. |
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Mid Michigan | When Father dehorned cattle with large horns that bled a lot, he put on a handful of flour to stop the bleeding. That dehorner with rack and pinion and 2 foot wood handles was one mean looking machine. Wish it was still here. Anyone got a picture of a dehorner? |
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| I use one like this, or used to. Now most are polled and the rare Jersey that has horns get dehorning paste at birth. Mine has steel handles though instead of wood.
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| I used a wire saw for a long time , if we bought one with horns and in no time i would have their horns off.
Always burn them off , when they were young. |
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Northeast Nebraska and Candelaria Philippines | Scariest thing i have had happen is with Holstein steers we raised from babies.
In a pen of about 100 hd of 800 lb steers.
Super friendly. I knelt down and wanted to take a selfie of me and my friendly babies.
Got stepped on and couldn't get up.
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| I had a couple close calls with bulls. The first one you would know. It was Boomer Sooner at select sites. We went on a tour to select sites and they were overcrowded. They had just moved some of the Jersey bulls to the old bank barn the day before our tour. We went in and sooner went nuts and managed to try and jump through the bars and he got stuck at the hips. I was stuck in the alley with a pissed off bull between me and the door, still caught at the hips. I had to jump into his box stall cut into the next bulls stall and then squeeze through the pipes to get into the alleyway to get out the door. Scared the crap out of my dad. The second one was showing a Holstein bull at Ohio state fair. His name was hoobirk mel buster. I got too close to him feeding grain one morning and he tossed me across the feed alley into the neighbors frost straw pack. I didn't even have a bruise. Thankful, that was one of the last years bulls were showed. I helped picture bulls at select when I was fitting, never had any problems on the few days I helped. |
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Fontanelle, IA | I’m glad you got rid of this employee - just sorry you had to suffer through the post-firing trouble he undoubtedly did. |
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Texas | I believe most of us have been hurt by a bull . We have some crazy cows that will hurt people too . I’m getting rid of everything crazy and horns too . |
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Faunsdale, AL | Yes 7J159
I have a picture of the Sooner daughter of Duncan Belle that’s pretty amazing. Did you ever work with Craig Johnson I think his last name was?
This is a lot older cow. By the time I get the picture oriented correctly it’s cropped
Might still guess who she is. Well it is labeled on top. Just one I had in my phone. Friend of mine has a heifer that goes back to Topsy she says. So I looked up some pictures.
I hate to think what it took to get that bull out of that gap! A fresh 2 year old usually was the one I had to get out of something like that! Some of them would try to go anywhere they could get their head to fit! They could just about do just exactly that…….until the hips caught. Then the last ribs prevent backing up!
We bought a bull named Favorite Colonel as a yearling and bred a bunch of heifers to him and then a few cows along and were pretty pleased with the daughters so he stayed around in a pen by the dairy. He had been hand raised and was calm but you had to just back off and let him take time sometimes. Typical of a hand raised bull. Had semen frozen, so he should have really never come back to the farm, but he did.
He stayed around until he was old. He could still serve a cow, very deliberately though. He was showing his age, stifles and hips were getting arthritic, so it was time to go. He was balking about going to the loading/breeding pen and I got too close to him. He got a step on me and tossed me into the air. Felt like a tennis ball going up and came down a few yards away. When I came down I was scuffling getting out of the way but he had lost interest in me. I was just a pesky fly to him.
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thumb of mi | One of my old customers was in the pen with a skid steer. The bull tipped the skidder over with him in it. I do t think he got hurt it was a long time ago |
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Faunsdale, AL | When the youngsters have grown up but still want to kick up their heels and rip and run around it’s best to have something big and heavy to get behind! Terrifying out in the open when that gets going!
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Faunsdale, AL | I’ve used the keystones very few times in my life. Back in the day, there were always a lot of heifers that had horns big enough to use a smaller size keystone dehorner our vet used to have but then the ones not quite that big he used a large Barnes’ on. The Keystones left the heifer with a nicer shaped poll.
Was working at a sale barn in Tennessee right out of school and a farmer bought some old Herefords that he wanted dehorned before he took them home. I had never even seen a cow that old dehorned before so I grabbed the big keystones and started in on the first one. That was not the right tool for the job! Their horns weren’t big across the base but they were solid bone. I was glad it was only a few of them. I would close the dehorner as far as I could and between the cow struggling in the head catch and me getting tossed around on the other end of the handles, the rest of the horn would crack out of her head and I would move on to the next one. Should have broken out the wire! |
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| One of my best friends dad had his skull crushed in by a cow kick as he was getting knocked down. Coroner said he was probably gone when he hit the ground. |
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| Yeah, I helped Craig Johnson picture on our farm and other farms several times. He was nice guy until he got behind the lense, then he cussed like a Marine and got real difficult. All the agri graphics people were like that. I had a cow that went back to topsy's family somehow. She was the first Jersey I bought. She was 15th at louisville as a jr 2, then reserve grand of the jr show as a Jr three, top three in the open. Then as a five year old she was fifth at Madison in a loaded class at top four at Louisville. She had a couple daughter do really well too, then a grand daughter that I sold for a bunch of money as a two year old, she ended up at Budjon a four year old. They thought she had a chance to win grand at madison that year but turned into a train wreck the night before the show. I can't remember how she went back to toppy, I bought her from Jim VanBuskirk's sale and paid commercial for her. |
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| ballpark Frank - 8/31/2024 23:33
One of my best friends dad had his skull crushed in by a cow kick as he was getting knocked down. Coroner said he was probably gone when he hit the ground.
Yup cows can knock a person's lights out mighty quick. Seen some hand injuries where we were using portable hydraulic chutes. Cow could get a front leg up and between bars toward front and kick you if you weren't watching.
We were working cows and used a corral with customized touches to pens and tub and alley ways. The tub has an elevated platform where you can walk around it to reach stubborn cows that jam up or whatever. The weather was hotter than hot plus high humidity. Cows get mad easily just like people in the heat. Had a group in the tub that refused to go down the alley to the chute. Jammed up. managed to get a few of them to move to the chute. But three or four wouldn't budge. An especially big cow turned her rear to me where I was up on the platform. I used a sorting stick to reach towards her and gently tap to get her turned. She wasn't having any of it. I knew she was trying to line up the distance in her hindsight to nail me with a hind leg. Thankfully there was just enough protection from the platform so that when she kicked she couldn't connect with a leg or flesh. Sounded like a big tuning fork after the hard kick made the steel vibrate. I could see how in such a situation a person could easily fall into the tub with a stubborn cow positioned in such a way. |
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Middlesex County, Ontario | My dad is my uncle's brother too.
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Faunsdale, AL | I don’t remember Danny Weaver but I do remember my father saying there could be no spectators during picture taking. Air was too blue! Might have been somebody before Danny now that I think of it. All that generation is gone so I can’t ask about it.
Always had plenty of folks, wives, aunt or two, neighbors coming by at times to watch the show, so I guess Craig may have been on good behavior.
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Faunsdale, AL | Had a group of cows with a bull in a pasture next to my house. Everything was good. Kids just didn’t go out there. Swapped the bull out and things started downhill! New bull would come up and bellow and paw up dirt on other side of yard fence when kids were out in the yard. That progressed to pushing under net wire fence.
So I decided an electric fence would be the best solution. Had one of my guys go in with a 4020 and keep the bull occupied down the other end of the pasture while I put up the hot wire and got it all ready. Then he drove up to toward the house and just parked it. Bull soon lost interest in the tractor and came up to push under fence. He had to touch hot wire twice before he changed his mind. That stopped that! |
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Texas | A lot of folks not raised around them don’t know they can kick to the side too . Learned that one the hard way when I was a kid . Next load of crazy’s I’m taking I’m getting my neighbor with dogs and horses to help . He’s a full time firefighter and cowboys as a side business . |
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Madison Co. Virginia | tommyw-5088 - 9/1/2024 15:24
A lot of folks not raised around them don’t know they can kick to the side too . Learned that one the hard way when I was a kid . Next load of crazy’s I’m taking I’m getting my neighbor with dogs and horses to help . He’s a full time firefighter and cowboys as a side business .
Yup. When walking the milk cows in from pasture in cool weather, some of them start feeling a bit frisky. If I'm walking beside one of the cows, I've learned to recognize that characteristic twist of their back that comes a second before a playful side-kick. |
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West Chazy, New York | Supposedly the barn crew threw a party when that one died. He was just mean.
Now that I think about it, it was Top Brass that was so nasty. The sales rep told me that when they collected him they only had him and the teaser in the collection arena. It was too dangerous to have him in the same space with another bull.
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Bull Killed My Uncles Brother in 1925
