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Posted 2/11/2024 11:50 (#10618732 - in reply to #10618182)
Subject: RE: One of the last IH prototype tractors.


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Kochia - 2/11/2024 03:38

1934 A - 2/9/2024 08:53

Kochia ,Sarcasm right. Ih cabs were the worst to get in and out of.


Considering shoup and others make a killing selling those aftermarket steps and railings everyone puts on the sound guard tractors, no. If it was easy in and out of those, you wouldn't see those aftermarket steps and railings everywhere, let alone on the tractors. See image for reference. I've seen more tractors with those than without those on steffes and other auctions.

Otherwise on the 30s, you have flat, painted, steps, a flat painted cat walk, then a tunnel with a clutch to trip over. That flat, painted metal gets pretty slick when wet or covered in snow or ice. Not exactly sure who though that was a good idea.

Meanwhile the 86's have serrated steps. The 88's have stamped and raised tread steps. Both allow for mud, water, ice, and snow to pass through. The 86's, you enter on the right and go straight up the "safety style", Deere aftermarket words, not mine, steps, where two convenient handles and a steering wheel are available to grab onto. 88s the left, where it is the same thing. You can even hold onto the inside door handles from the ground on both the 86s and 88s. There is nothing to trip over, nothing in the way, and no easy way to slip and fall.

Now, if you were arguing 66s, you would have a point. I don't understand those cabs.


I am about as color blind as anyone. Absolutely love our cih combines and very much like our deere tractors from the 60's to the 2015. Have a Mccormick and have had a 200 hp agco/white with the cummins that was a great tractor other than turning radius. Also had a 7140 and same thing, turning radius sucked. Anyway, I think the reason there are no aftermarket stuff for the old ih tractors is that there just isn't any hope for them. You can say what you want, but from about '75 on, there was no comparison until the magnums and then deere bettered that fairly quickly with the 8000 series before cih caught up again and I think today it is hard to find a bad tractor of any color.

Back to the 86 series. There is no defending them imo. They sucked when they came out, they sucked in resale. It had nothing to do with green underwear.The deeres were superior in every way and yes even the cab. If you think the deere soundguards are hard to get in and out of, you haven't done it much. It's called muscle memory. Once you have it down your body just does it and it is smooth as silk. Were they as good of cab as those that replaced them, not even close. But for the day, they were the best.

Every deere from the 4010 to a 8400r is just at home with a loader on it as it was in the trenches pulling a plow. From a syncrorange to an ivt they were super. The quadrange was not as good but still very usable in loader work. Not many other makes can say that. Deere could have relocated the hydraulic pump and not run all the lines over the radiator sooner. Could have put both pto's on a lot more models, but the perma clutch and closed center hydraulics make up for a few shortcomings. 30 series had some weaknesses especially the first couple years, but once you got to the 40 series they were pretty much bulletproof vs. the competition. The 80 series allis tractors tried to compete but the engines weren't up to snuff and the mfwd wasn't well thought out. The 50 series deeres were still better.

I love me some pre '72 ih tractors without cabs for the cool factor. I always wanted a 5488 because they look cool and they were starting to come around to useful. Nothing wrong with a boxcar magnum and up. But, there is no defending an 86 or a 66 with a cab. Horrible tractors as a package. Borderline useless compared to the competition unless you wanted to uncomfortably plow with them all day.

Edit: a 186 hydro has some usefullness. Not a robust tractor, but about the only 100 hp+ 86 series that a loader made sense on.

Edited by kb ag 2/11/2024 12:07
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