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Young Farmer 09
Posted 1/4/2010 21:09 (#1003052)
Subject: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


Belzoni, Mississippi
I found Mr. Eugene Smith very interesting and i was wondering if you had any more stories on him. How did he get so big. Did he come from money or did he build it from scratch. I like to here stories on big farmers. Did he really farm 20,000 acres in Mississippi? What happen after he passed away?
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greg33
Posted 1/4/2010 22:06 (#1003271 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: RE: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


obituary; www.gcdailyworld.com/story/1278308.html

also google: ribeyre island . he owned it and his estate sold it a couple years ago for about 3.5 million.

the mississippi farm was at Natchitoches.

Edited by greg33 1/6/2010 13:07
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mcfarm
Posted 1/5/2010 10:31 (#1004071 - in reply to #1003271)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


central Indiana
Young Farmer..I have many "eugene" stories..fascinating but sad..hurt alot of good people over the go go years of leverage leverge leverage..it was said during one month in the early stages of the run up to end devastating crunch of the 80's that eugene bought or sold a farm a day for a month straight..went to 2 of his liquidation sales..its true he farmed 5,000 acres near Lebanon Ind, 5000 in Greene County near Linton Ind and 5000 in Mississippi all at the same time...after 1 bankrupcty he admitted to still having over a million bushels of corn in large warehouses in Kentucky...wonder where tht corn is now? Used to turn off I-65 and drive right past his front door on my way to Purdue as student in the early 70's
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msb
Posted 1/4/2010 22:19 (#1003310 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


Lapel, In
Hadn't talked to him for probably a couple years before his untimely death. Eugene would answer any questions that I posed to him. He always said he had no secrets. While his dad was a good farmer, I would not say Eugene was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I would have called Wayne,Eugene's dad, a bit larger farmer than average or at least most back in the middle 60s. He had a 105 combine and a 4020 that I worked on a few times. Wayne was a very common sense sort of individual and a very good business man.I don't think he was too keen on some of Eugene's business practices.however. A cousin of Eugene's,Charlie Starkey was what I would call a very aggressive farmer and may well have a profound effect on the person Eugene became. Charlie bragged one spring about planting 2400 acres with a 6 row Deere 1300 planter by running it around the clock. He was done before a lot of guys, including me, even started. So neither of the two required a lot of sleep nor would they shy away from hard work.

Some of you older farmers may remember when the Farm Progess Show was held on the (about) 600 acre Hoffman farm at Lebanon,In . Shortly after that the farm came up for sale. As the story was related to me, the final two bidders standing at the auction were the Prudential Insurance Company and Eugene, with Eugene in one room of the motel and the Prudential reps. next door. When the bidding got high enough and Eugene knowing Prudential would rent it out, he sent a note to them next door that he would quit bidding if they would rent him the farm. They agreed and to make the story even better ,Eugene got Prudential to fund his farming operation which at that time was a very large sum of money.He siezed every opportunity that he saw and created others for himself.

It might have been that same Progress Show where Eugene exhibited the first (that I know of) 24 row folding planter using Deere componets. Don't know if he sold any or not as he built them for his own use , but was not as particular as I would have been. Never even ground the weld splatter. To him that wasn't important. I had the opportunity to work for him ,but thought the better of it and that was one of the reasons for saying no. I will say as far as I know he treated his help very well, was also the first farmer that I knew of to have what he called a harvest bash for his workers when the harvest was complete. Couple other asides: a trucker friend of mine once saw him pulling 10 gravity wagons to a field with a single tractor when the law says no more that two. Trucker said he did it all the time.He would have just paid the fine, had he got caught,but he considered the odds and did as he pleased.

Could have been the field where he was killed as the pump set in the middle of the field. I think it was on an island in the middle of the OHio River and yes, he farmed in Mississipi, but could not tell you how many acres it was.Anyone else would have driven astraddle of the row out to the pump on the island , but not Eugene. Shortest distance and quickest was a sraight line for him. Kind of lost track of him, once he bought the IH equipment. Only heard rumors and stories from then on until I talked to him for what became the last time.I always thought if he had failed a few times in life, he would have put some back for those rainy days that most of us experience. Unfortunately, he only knew success and "UP" and full speed ahead. I do think his divorce changed him a lot and that might have been why he mellowed out a bit at the end. Probably one of the most fascinating men I ever knew. He taught me a lot about thinking outside the box.
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Redman
Posted 1/4/2010 23:58 (#1003562 - in reply to #1003310)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


SW Saskatchewan
A friend of mine had a brother who got his PhD in Ag Economics at Purdue in that time frame. Similar personality and as to me always a fine man. Took more stress(mental and physical) than I thought the human body was capable of, farmed larger and traded commodities at a previously unheard of scale.

The 80's caught him too, physical sickness plagued him as did the financial houses once his empire started to display weakness. The leading bank displayed his bankruptcy auction notices in his home town in a power play.

He survived and has left a legacy in how one can farm large though he now only observes from the sidelines.

Pioneers and explorers don't always profit when they make their way through unknown territory. But we as a society do learn.

And that is one of the reason for bankruptcy laws - partly to see just how high and how far we can fly.
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Young Farmer 09
Posted 1/5/2010 00:09 (#1003588 - in reply to #1003562)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


Belzoni, Mississippi
Thankyou also for you stories. I find Mr. Eugene Smith very interesting and inspirational at the same time. If you have anymore stories feel free to share. Iam all ears!!! Iam a beginner farmer and I find agriculture to be the best occupation in the world. I am a third generation farmer as well and I couldnt see myself doing anything else. I find BTO's very interesting and i am wondering is there a good way to become one. Most BTO's have a bad rep and i would like to change it.
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msb
Posted 1/5/2010 00:22 (#1003617 - in reply to #1003588)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


Lapel, In
Would be interested in knowing about you. Your age, schooling, hobbys, interests,family, goals in life,etc.
The best part about growing old is the wisdom one has gained and getting to share that wisdom with someone a lot younger. If we can't help one another in this world then what is the point of living ?
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hoddykubody
Posted 1/5/2010 09:01 (#1003918 - in reply to #1003617)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


Was'nt there an article on Eugene Smith in Successful Farming or Farm Journal back in the 80's . I think it was about some large scale operations of the time . Might have been some large hog operations as well.
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1923Gleaner
Posted 1/5/2010 00:42 (#1003639 - in reply to #1003588)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


I'll probably get run out on a rail here but I feel I should comment on your statement about Mr. Smith being an"inspiration" to you. I guess I'm from an old school but bankruptcy is equal to failure. I am a 4th generation farmer and I would think if I managed business so poorly that I lost everything I had worked for that I not only let myself down but also everyone that has passed on before me. I have watched this kind in the 80's, live big and drive nice stuff but in the end lucky it there is enough to burry them and leave nothing to their family. Success is leaving the operation better than when you got there. There is a family of brothers near here that farm together, they have never approached a landowner to rent land, the owner comes to them. They won't bid on a piece of land if a family member of the seller wants to buy it or the current tenant. To me that is the type of person that should be an "inspiration". Just wanted to put my .02 in as to the old school isn't all bad.
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dvswia
Posted 1/5/2010 06:32 (#1003769 - in reply to #1003639)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


sw corner ia.
Good thoughts. I feel the same way, mr. smith was no good inspiration to anyone. Threw away everything that should have meant the world to him because of his getbigitis affliction.

My advise to the young farmer is read R. G. LeTourneau's book if you really want inspiration.
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Ontrack
Posted 1/5/2010 08:18 (#1003854 - in reply to #1003769)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


Southwest Minnesota

Dave,

What is the book called?

Thanks

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dvswia
Posted 1/5/2010 12:17 (#1004244 - in reply to #1003854)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


sw corner ia.
sorry, I should have mentioned it.

“Mover of Mountains and Men”
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limi
Posted 1/6/2010 18:22 (#1006787 - in reply to #1003639)
Subject: Same here.


IN
I bet there are plenty of people who could tell the other side of his story.
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dixonman
Posted 1/5/2010 06:38 (#1003773 - in reply to #1003588)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


I have a small story to add to Bob's about Eugene, a friend of mine was hired by PCA fresh out of college and was assigned Eugene as a customer, his job was to keep Eugene happy and financed, well he pissed Eugne off and he went elsewhere for his operating money, this happened to be right before land prices and everything went south my friend ended up being the accidental star of the farm credit system at that time.
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msb
Posted 1/5/2010 00:28 (#1003625 - in reply to #1003562)
Subject: Re: Thanks for your stories


Lapel, In
Great insight Redman. Never considered the bankruptcy angle, but it never kept Eugene from flying again. Is there a story on your handle ?
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Young Farmer 09
Posted 1/5/2010 01:25 (#1003686 - in reply to #1003625)
Subject: A little about me MSB


Belzoni, Mississippi
Your right MSB, helping one another is the most important thing a person can do, especially in agriculture. Networking has helped spread the ideas of farmers from the East coast to the West coast. Iam very appreciative for the inventors of Agtalk. It has sure helped me out a lot this year. Well a little on me. Iam a third generation farmer. I started farming when I was 10 years old with a half an acre. I cut 4 bushels off those four acres with an old John Deere 95 combine. I went on after high school to Mississippi State University and earned a degree in Agbusiness in 2008. I left MSU and worked with my dad full time for a year and in 09 i went on my own. I had been waiting on that day since i was 10 years old. I scraped up 1200 acres. In a way I was like Mr. Smith because I offered a bit more rent for my land. Not because i wanted to outbid people, but because I wanted my landlords to know that I understood that they held the key to my livelihood. Like in business, they had a product and I had a need. I see many people around here abuse landowners with there property. After college I married my girlfriend of 4 years and we had son in 2008. My dream is for him to carry on and become a fourth generation farmer. I like to solve problems and i invite challenges. This year instead of buying an expensive vacuum planter to plant, I put a 7100 and a 7300 plate planter together. It was made up of halve and halve of the planter units. I had 14 units on it set up on 20 inch rows. But thats about all there is about me. I feel proud to be following in my fathers and grandfathers footsteps.
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Redman
Posted 1/5/2010 11:52 (#1004204 - in reply to #1003625)
Subject: Re: Just a Versatile farmer


SW Saskatchewan
Who used to enjoy color wars with Plowboy back in the days of the old site.

I can remember when the topic on it used to be if Iowa would break through the $3000/acre ceiling.
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2510
Posted 1/5/2010 07:49 (#1003831 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?



The Smith family still still has a large operation just outside of Lebanon, IN on SR 32. I think they farm a boatload of acres.
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ahay68979
Posted 1/5/2010 08:41 (#1003884 - in reply to #1003831)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


Saronville NE
Ive tried google to read more about him, but all I get is some guy that takes lots of pics. And one article on eugene but had to join some research company at 29.95 a month to get on and read about him, I wasnt that intrested LOL. But would like to know what I need to google to read more about him.
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dkesler
Posted 1/5/2010 09:03 (#1003923 - in reply to #1003884)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


I first heard about him in a 1983 front page Wall Street Journal article. Some of his neighbors never got paid in full for seed they sold him before his bankrupty. I would like to believe that most of the people who post on this site would have at least made an effort to pay that debt sometime during their lifetime.
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1923Gleaner
Posted 1/5/2010 09:10 (#1003935 - in reply to #1003923)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


But most of us on AgTalk have some respect for other people. Men like Eugene Smith are users. I certainly am not impressed with these story's about Smith. As far as I am concerned his "operation" still owes the money. I hope his kids are proud. I guess we were brought up differently. I've known people like Smith. I bought a quarter of land from Federal Land Bank that had been foreclosed on. The abstract stand almost 6" thick, over 5" of it is the bankruptcy. This guy is still walking around proud as a peacock. He will have to answer for his crookedness one day, but not on this earth apparently.

I just hope these young guys use the story's about Eugene Smith as examples of what not to become.
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farmer in ontario
Posted 1/5/2010 09:35 (#1003983 - in reply to #1003935)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


Ontario
Thanks msb for the great stories on Eugene Smith. I think there is lessons in his life for everyone to really think about.

From the stories Eugene was a trailblazer, inventor, used all his mental & physical skills to get ahead.

But I am not sure I like the ending! As farmers we all want to be inovative, considered as knowledgeable, and pride ourselves in the job we do. I think its in our blood to always be more productive and grow/produce more.

But don't lose sight, that we should do what we can handle in life. (And that's different for every person.)
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msb
Posted 1/5/2010 11:01 (#1004121 - in reply to #1003983)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


Lapel, In
Eugene was a hero to only a very few,I suppose ,but I was not one of his fans, believe me. He once made a statement to my boss to the effect that he wished corn would drop to (I forget now,but it was very low) so people would get out of his way.It was only by chance that he did not move into my territory as he seriously did consider it at one time. Eugene was not a model to follow as he sometimes inadvertantly stepped on several people and businesses alike due to his bankruptcys. It was not his goal to break anyone, but it happened,never the less. He just wanted them out of his way. But the one good lesson of his life for us all is he kept getting back up after he got knocked down when most of us would have accepted defeat. One could not help but to marvel at his drive and determination to excell and succeed even if one didn't agree with his methods. Yet I could not help but feel he was a very weary warrior the last time I spoke with him. I could see it in his eyes and hear it in his conversation. It would have been very interesting to see what he had done with the rest of his life, had he lived. My quess is that he would have walked away from it all, a very disillusioned man as I think he would have come to the conclusion that there was no victory in what he did.As I have discovered, there is only victory when we get behind the other guy and push him up the hill of life.

Edited by msb 1/5/2010 11:03
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farmn4$
Posted 1/5/2010 11:50 (#1004201 - in reply to #1004121)
Subject: Victory can only be found through Christ Jesus


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dvswia
Posted 1/5/2010 12:23 (#1004253 - in reply to #1004121)
Subject: Bob, thank you.


sw corner ia.
You know, I have been trying to get the words together for a long time, and just wasn't smart enough.

"..there is only victory when we get behind the other guy and push him up the hill of life." That was about the greatest thing to say I can imagine.
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Markwright
Posted 1/5/2010 21:15 (#1005219 - in reply to #1004121)
Subject: Re:Great post MSB several of


New Mexico
the bigs who BK'ed in the 80's, it bothered em some...but not much ( business , just business ).

Many felt that even after the BK ( 11's ) reductions...they still ended up with way more left than they had ever figured on ( or ever dreamed of owning to start with ).

Interesting era.

Probably helped set the later stages for deals like say ENRON for example in the future. Trends are trends. ( then AIG for example after that )

Edited by Markwright 1/5/2010 21:21
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Redman
Posted 1/5/2010 22:33 (#1005455 - in reply to #1005219)
Subject: Re:Actually Chapter 12 in most cases


SW Saskatchewan
The 80's and the farm crisis had no logical connection to the Enron, Bank or AIG situations. Even the largest of the Farm insolvencies did not register on the "too big to fail" scale.

Where they did register was on the "too many to ignore scale". I guess the result was somewhat the same, action was required to stabilize the farm economy but it did not spill over into the larger community.

And it wasn't just the BTO's or high flyers that were effected, it went across the ag sector and debt adjustment was common, just when it involved a high profile personality was the only time it was news enough to be news.

It was a sad time for many in ag, to paint the victims as schemers or as morally deficient is being harsh in most cases.

As I don't know of every case, I can't speak of all cases, just those of which I am aware.
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Markwright
Posted 1/5/2010 22:56 (#1005530 - in reply to #1005455)
Subject: Re:Chapter 12 was not till 87


New Mexico
debt limits are the same as a 13.......approx 1.4 mill total currently, 340k unsecured, 1.06m secured

Chapter 11 has no debt limit ceiling.
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Redman
Posted 1/5/2010 23:09 (#1005569 - in reply to #1005530)
Subject: Re:Right


SW Saskatchewan
I was writing this from the time line of the Canadian situation and our tsunami of debt occurred after the full effect of the 85 farm bill hit us. Of course, it saved the American farmer. The biggie's would have went with chapter 11, but most of the cases would have fit within the lower limits.
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Markwright
Posted 1/5/2010 23:17 (#1005588 - in reply to #1005569)
Subject: Re:I agree. nt


New Mexico
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1923Gleaner
Posted 1/6/2010 12:16 (#1006299 - in reply to #1005455)
Subject: Re:Actually Chapter 12 in most cases


Redman - 1/5/2010 22:33

The 80's and the farm crisis had no logical connection to the Enron, Bank or AIG situations. Even the largest of the Farm insolvencies did not register on the "too big to fail" scale.

Where they did register was on the "too many to ignore scale". I guess the result was somewhat the same, action was required to stabilize the farm economy but it did not spill over into the larger community.

And it wasn't just the BTO's or high flyers that were effected, it went across the ag sector and debt adjustment was common, just when it involved a high profile personality was the only time it was news enough to be news.

It was a sad time for many in ag, to paint the victims as schemers or as morally deficient is being harsh in most cases.

As I don't know of every case, I can't speak of all cases, just those of which I am aware.


Redman:
here in Kansas every one of the ones that went down in flames were schemers and morally deficient to use your words. The real victims were the smaller guys, us who did not over extend but did barrow money to update our operation but stayed below the level that qualified for a debt write off. I have a neighbor that still brags about his write down and when I tell him I and others paid for his write down he says no you didn't they just wrote it off the books. To me that qualifies as morally deficient. These guys should have lost everything as that is the way the system purges itself in economic cycles, but government interfered with the system. When an above post it is reported that Eugene still had corn stored away after his bankruptcy, there should have been jail time spent. I certainly wouldn't consider that as an act of a man to be made into a hero. Justice will be done just not in this lifetime spent on earth.
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Redman
Posted 1/6/2010 15:07 (#1006544 - in reply to #1006299)
Subject: Re: one big difference in the USA


SW Saskatchewan
The US responded with income measures- the '85 farm bill, CRP and PIK. I can't comment on specific cases but the income measures, from our Canadian perspective, were seen as a pro-active measure to halt the slump. Perhaps the mere unwise decision to purchase an over-priced quarter was covered by these programs, the big right-downs weren't needed.

But I can't comment except from the Canadian perspective.

Canada never did take the opportunity to develop a comprehensive farm policy. The answer to the ag crisis was debt reduction and whether it occurred with minimum or maximum bloodshed was merely an accident of circumstance.

Creditor's took every cent possible, if the loan agreement limited the amount they could seize, they got less. If they were in a province like Alberta that had strict limits on how assets could be accessed to satisfy a deficiency on a mortgage, the lender often saw that it was in everybodies best interest to work together and cut a settlement that matched the ability to pay and security in place. In Manitoba, the lender nearly always had access to all assets so the lenders adopted a "cut and run" attitude because they could nearly always come out with the loss all being born by the farmer. Sask had an intermediate legal structure and the results here often depended on whether your banker had trained in Alberta or Manitoba.

Sask had one controversial piece of legislation that stabilized the market, lenders were required to offer lease backs if the borrower requested, and at the end of the lease back period, the farmer who had surrendered the property had "right of first refusal"if a sale occurred.

A lot of the well to do established farmers were angry about these laws, they had the cash and they wanted to buy at the depressed prices. Often they tried to disguise their covetous plans by picturing the farmers hanging on as failures and socialists!

Don't know who were the virtuous, hope those times are really gone for good but the debt figures for Canada are scary.

Have a healthy and PROSPEROUS new year.
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ahay68979
Posted 1/6/2010 17:41 (#1006724 - in reply to #1006299)
Subject: Re 1923 Gleaner


Saronville NE
I understand where you are coming from but not all guys who lost everything in the 80s were high rollers and I find your comments offensive. I know of guys who were not farming out of there league and did a good job of farming and taking care of business. But after 3 yrs of either hail, or drought, and all there grain grown was put into livestock so then go buy all your feed and livestock prices were in the tank, how is that there fault? Besides dealing with the high intrest rates at the time. And yes when they sold out they had enuff money off the sale to pay off all the local business and the only one who didnt get there money was FHA, and they are the ones who talked this particular farmer out of selling one piece of ground early on in the crisis even though it woulda been at a loss, woulda been enuff to keep this person afloat and this person would still be farming, so in that case I say F Fha. So is it still wrong that they had to take bankruptcy? Not everybody that went down in the 80s was a Tiger.
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AgJudge
Posted 1/5/2010 23:12 (#1005573 - in reply to #1004121)
Subject: Bob


the place your food comes from- IOWA


Great post !

Who'da a thunk I'd ever say that ?
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msb
Posted 1/6/2010 00:12 (#1005678 - in reply to #1005573)
Subject: RE: Bob


Lapel, In
And why not AJ ? I hold no amimosity towards you. Sure , we disagree a lot, but I never let it turn into hatred. When it comes down to it, there is very little that separates us all here at AT. We have a lot more in common than we do what keeps us apart.
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pbutler
Posted 1/5/2010 15:43 (#1004553 - in reply to #1003935)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?



Macon, IL
I am sure I am only getting a microcosm of the guy-but from this thread he sounds like a facinating guy-but certianly not one I would admire. Anyone who would shaft their neighbors in a bankrupcy and then not pay them back later when recovered is certianly not someone to be admired in my book.
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msb
Posted 1/5/2010 16:49 (#1004635 - in reply to #1004553)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


Lapel, In
You are right, Paul about him being a fascinating guy, but the problem has been for me is several people thought I loved the guy when I have talked about him over the years. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
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Puff Dippy
Posted 1/5/2010 18:18 (#1004771 - in reply to #1004635)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?


MSB, what you possess is what is lacking so badly today in our Nation and that is the ability to tell the truth about an issue without letting one's personal bias override the truth.

nice to see someone speak on the level even though their personal feelings are some what different , speaks volumes about one's (your)character.

no doubt MSB, you are a stand up man whom so many reading here can learn from! thank you!
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illfarmr
Posted 1/5/2010 14:20 (#1004435 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: Two other points


Central Illinois
When Eugene was in college, he made it a GOAL to make more money in a summer than his professors did in a year. And he did, by painting barns. Also, when one of his children got ready to apply to Purdue, they couldn't afford the $100 fee that went with the application. Both stories from a retired Purdue prof I used to work with.
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nuckenfutz
Posted 1/5/2010 20:59 (#1005171 - in reply to #1004435)
Subject: RE: Two other points


wilmington ohio
bob ,msb i think the kid could learn more from you than he could from eugene. if the world was filled with more men of your attitude and conviction i think it would be a better place.
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Redman
Posted 1/5/2010 22:43 (#1005492 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: RE: Young Farmer, No one is perfect


SW Saskatchewan
I don't know the details of Mr Smith, but I guess my comment to you is to recognize that everyone is multi-dimensional. Everyone can teach you something that you need to hold on to and everyone is less than perfect so they can serve as a cautionary tale.

I took my run at being a "superfarmer', the 80's burned me up but didn't destroy me. I tried to be honorable in all my dealings and not to put the god of "success" as my goal. Life took a lot out of me but I wouldn't have it any other way, I got a lot in return and relatively little of it has been cash.

I would not tell anyone to only play half as good as they can at Basketball or Hockey and I don't think it appropriate to tell you to be only half as good as you can be at farming.

Just recognize that your life is bigger than sports or your job. Be good, be happy and good luck.
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KDD
Posted 1/6/2010 16:20 (#1006631 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: Re: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith?



Leesburg, Ohio
Eugene was certainly one of most prominent of the 1970's "Young Tigers" as the university types called them in those days.

A neighbor an I went to one of the early "Pro Farmer" seminars in Chicago that Eugene spoke at. Would have been in about 1978 or 1979 during his big expansion period. He told about the month when he bought a farm a day. And about putting together farmer around his home place to make an 800 field and a 900 field. And then told about the 36 row planter he had built and used in those two big fields...said they had to harvest 300 acres just to get the ends off one field. Also had trouble holding the toolbar together.

The same neighbor and I stopped by to see him years later...we just walked in, said hi, told who we were, and he invited us in his office to visit for an hour or so until we had to get back on the road. He had mellowed out some by then.

I'm sure he stepped on some toes in his time, but was interesting to watch and talk about.
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thor
Posted 1/7/2010 08:56 (#1007862 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: RE: I hope the young farmers here read this


northern MN
I told my kids when they played ball that when you are good you do not need to talk about yourself, others will do it for you (and they did). We live our lives that way. If you want to be successful, look at your fathers and mothers, what characteristics do you find desirable in them. Being a good parent is the most important thing you can be in life. If financial success is the most important thing to you, don't be a parent. Balance is key, if you tend to business, do a good job and treat people fairly you will be successful beyond your expectations. I have seen and know several BTOS and one thing that resonates with the ones who perused it was scandal and disdain. Not because of jealously but because of the lack of morals, most have had multiple marriages and are distant from the values we in rural America hold dear including the children. I also know BTOS that have become so because of circumstance and others respect of what they are. They don't need to step on there neighbors or short business partners and suppliers. They earned the respect of the community and the community wants to do business with them. Lastly and probably most importantly your Faith will separate you for eternity. When I die if someone, hopefully my family thinks I was a success then and only then perhaps I was.


Edited by thor 1/7/2010 23:41
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Redman
Posted 1/7/2010 12:34 (#1008378 - in reply to #1007862)
Subject: RE:multiple marriages


SW Saskatchewan
Just a comment-amongst the achievers and top dogs that I have known, it was only "morals' in the broadest sense that doomed their marriages.

In the wedding vows "forsake all others" means more than not chasing skirts, it means not chasing fame and success to the point that you have forsaken your marriage.

More marriages die of neglect than competition.
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DC4020
Posted 1/19/2020 15:45 (#7986026 - in reply to #1003052)
Subject: RE: Hey MSB, do you have anymore stories on Eugene Smith? .NT


Central Ga
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