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Rosemary AB, Canada | I am putting up a new pole building and was getting quotes and Integrity has a new product called perma columns. They are 5 foot concrete pillars that go into the ground and then the pole building sits on top of these. I was wondering if anybody has a building with these, if you're happy with them or any experience with them. They add about 10 percent to the cost of the building. My concern is bolting the post to the top, can they get everything plum enough and strong enough at the junction. The good thing would be no wood to rot. Here is a link to the website
www.integritypoststructure.com/posts.php |
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northwest tennessee | I dont know anyone with them but I thought about them also but wondered about the joining point. Seems like it would be a weak point. They have been out for several years so someone should have them. |
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Ohio | They have been around for awhile now. The township next to mine built a building with them, at least 5 years ago. I think the one trustee said that Perma Column also made a skirt board out of concrete. Not too many things I'm 100% sure of but one is ,some day a whole industry will be created just to replace rotted bottoms on pole barns. |
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C IL | Surely better than poles. However, around here, anyone serious about a building just goes ahead and pours a concrete foundation with 1' - 3' walls, and then either builds a stud frame, or bolts the posts to the concrete in a similar manner as the Perma Column. Good luck ! |
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| http://ajdoor.com/extended-products/concrete-pier-system
The perma columns just look like an unnecessary pain in the butt. Why would you haul all that concrete around when you can pour it in place?
Call Jack Cutforth.
573-581-6133 |
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| I finished a 36X40 Pole barn with perma columns. They went in ok and seem worth the investment. They are a little more work to level and Plum with the 6x6 treated post on top. They go in 4' and are reinforced with re-bar. A little more work fasening the skirt boards also. Use a drill and ss nails made for concrete. I like them. Jake -Oh |
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Southern Lower Michigan | Had a building built with them last year. So far so good.Had Some pretty good storms go through this Spring, and everything is still strtaight. I wasn't going to use them. I talked with the builder about them and he got the impression that I wanted them. so when the materials came they were there.
I am not disappinted that I did use them. These newer Treated poles don't seem to last as long as the older ones.
Joe |
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Coshocton, Ohio | Drill your hole 1) pour a small pad in the bottom of the hole, or 2) dump a bag of quickcrete in the bott. of hole, then set your post in and pour concrete around the post (after they're braced of course) makes for a lifetime investment. I saw a couple of pole buildings done this way approx. 20 years ago and they are as good as the day they were finished, and the buildings that didn't have this process are starting to deteriate. |
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| Take a look at poly post protectors. They look good in my barn. |
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WC MO | I wish that Chance would market these auger piers for pole barn use. Wouldn't be perfect, but all it needs is an "adapter" sleeve that bolts to the top that three laminated 2x8's would fit into. Any type of out-of-plumb issue could be easily rectified with spacer washers between the post top plate and the adapter.
http://www.abchance.com/resources/literature/lighting/02-9705.pdf
These things are make in diameters from 1" up to 10" diameter in a multitude of lengths.
I told the sales rep that the small ones they make would be great for post bases on residential decks for holding a 4x4 or 6x6 post. Rep in Kansas City is Electrical Midwest, talk to Scott Marlo. The website has a calculator feature that figures what size you would need if you know enough about structural engineering to know your loadings.
You or someone you know probably already has a tractor-mounted auger adequate to drive them. One of the key engineering principles about these load bearing augers is that they do not remove earth, they displace it and it packs around the outside. The larger diameter the center column, the more load capacity it has. Also, the deeper it is driven, the more capacity it has but also the harder it gets to drive. The auger head has to be high torque low speed. The drive adapter most of you would not have any trouble fabricating on your own to save that cost, but they are available from Chance in most common hex sizes.
You keep it plumb by putting two magnetic torpedo levels on the side of the drill head and run it in slow. If it doesnt drive correctly, it is easily backed out, but it can be corrected as it goes. In fact, it can be easily removed and re-used years later if necessary. They could be used as foundations for weigh scales and many other on the farm uses.
Edited by trailcutter 7/14/2010 16:32
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| They were mentioned above and I went with the poly post protectors. They were $25 per hole. They expedite the building process a bit faster than perma columns. I would do them again first just out of a good experience. 
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| CPS system is bunch faster. Pretty much no, or very minimal, bracing required.
Edited by Pofarmer 7/14/2010 14:04
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Mohawk Indiana | We built an FBI building in 2003 and the sales rep wanted to get some Perma-columns out for prospeective buyers to look at so they treated us right on price. It was the first set that this particular crew had installed and the only issue that they really had was getting them all the same height. It doesn't affect the structural integrity at all. We have had some pretty good winds with no problems. If I ever build another barn it will have them.
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| I used them 3 yrs ag to replace the rotted bottoms posts on a polebarn that I had put up 30 years ago.I am impressed with them and would not put up another polebarn unless they were used. I looked at the poly post connectors and a couple other options before going with the perma-column. Took quite a bit of work to dig out the old post , cut them off, & replace with the perm-a-columns but looks likt the building should last longer than I will. They have a long U bracket at the top that the posts sit into & bolts run thru the brackets & post. I don't forsee a problem. Contractor aslo releveld my building while he was putting them in. |
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