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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | I'm looking at a 9 row J. Deere 7000 splitter planter (4 row with 5 row splitter).
What are the good, bad and ugly on these? Is there a problem with the clutch driving that many rows (has a long chain that goes back to splitter)?
Also, getting it home:
It is about 100 miles from my house.......How hard would it be to pull one of these home with a pick-up truck? Do the caster wheels on the splitter trail good and not wobble going down the road? What about tires and wheel bearings on a trip like this (there is only two tires on the planter and two on the splitter)?
If I try and haul it, the lift assist wheels are far enough apart it would take a trailer with some sort of out riggers.
What do you think.......haul, or pull it home?
.... TIA .......................................Mark |
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| No experience with a JD but based off of exp with a White splitter planter, pull it.
We pulled a 8 row + 7 row splitter 100+ miles a few years back, same number of wheels on the ground. No problem. Check the wheel bearings ahead of time, check the tires, take a spare tire, jacks, blocks, many tools and likely you will not need them.
On the White the lift wheels on the back have a flat spot on the pivot which has springs on it to keep it from wobbling. As long as the wheels were on the pavement they didn't wobble much at all, get them off of the pavement and we had to slow down a lot to get it to quit wobbling.
I thought you had a 9 row White splitter planter, getting another one or replacing? |
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Farmland, IN | Mark
My brother, who goes by oldabe on NAT, has a 6 row 7000 with a 7 row splitter. He can tell you any thing you need to know, and prolly a few things you didn't think of. If he doesn't see this post, send him an email, it's in his profile. |
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Corydon, IA | Heres a picture of my 13 row. Its an 8 row front frame with the outer 2 units taken off the front bar to make it a 6 row and has 7 units in the rear. I pulled it home with a 1/2 ton pickup but this planter is nearly balanced percfectly in transport position with negative tongue weight so it kind of whipped the pickup if you went too fast. You can sit on the tongue and push it down. As far as the chains, it only drives from the lift wheels on one side. The rear part is driven by a long chain from the front. It works for me. Only compliant I have with the planter is the flimsy markers. And also I wish the front bar had 8 units instead of 6. I may overhaul it someday and make it like that. 
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| We have a 6 row planter with a 6 row splitter that sounds identical to the one you reference. If we run over 15 mph it will really whip the tractor around. The splitter wheels have enough slop that it will really work a 4230 John Deere.
We have never had any clutch problem that I would blame on the splitter. 7000 clutchs need to be rebuilt regulary anyways after tears of use. Make sure that any idlers on the splitter drive chain are good. Had one lock up once and really tore up some hardware.
We really like ours and have used it since 1987. I would doubt that you will be able to drive very fast pulling it but still may be quicker than loading and hauling it.
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Republic OH (NC OH) | i pulled a 7000 6 row and 5 row splitter
with my truck 75 miles or so. we took off
the drive chains on the front unit. the splitter
has a drive tire. mine is a factory splitter and
has one lift tire. we could only drive 20 mph
or so. the splitter would bounce to much. just
took out time. you could take an infrared temp
gun and shoot you wheels just to be safe. we
took 2 trucks just in case of a problem.
good luck!
Duane |
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | This is the "beast" in question
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| I pulled a black machine home from Polk's a few years ago Mark, with a half ton p/u had plenty of weight in the back but it got wagging the dog if you tried to go above about 25, A ton truck with a fixed hitch would be much better, but your planter is not as heavy as the blck machine but will have some of the same issues. I ran a 10 row 7000 corn planter for many years just check your clutch before the season and replace when worn, not a huge issue, the ground wheel drive on the black machine is much nicer however. |
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Both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line | I have a 6 row front/5 row rear JD 7000. I bought the front 6 row unit and pulled it over 50 miles with no problems at 40 mph. I got the rear splitter unit from COWHATER. He took the connecting arms off of it and it fix nicely on the lowboy. Hooked together I don't like to pull it over 15 mph with the 4020. With the experiences that I've had with this combo I think I'd take it apart, and pull the front and haul the rear, esp since your front planter has only 2 wheels. (EDIT I just saw your pictures and I have the SI splitter too.)
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Both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line | My uncle calls it the "INSECT" |
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Both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line | Do you have any more pictures of your planter? Looks like a nice unit. |
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Corydon, IA | Trapper - 2/14/2010 19:21 Do you have any more pictures of your planter? Looks like a nice unit. Here is some pictures more of mine below. Also if you click on this link I have some clips on youtube of it about halfway through the movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgKyCvcSKk 
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| Yep, I would put the rear planter on a trailer. I bought the splitter part several years ago and we pulled the arms and lift assist off and set on a trailer. Not a hard job. As far as the drive clutches, I'm running a 7 row splitter off the front transmission with no problems.
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Virginia | Mark that "beast" in question is identical to ours except ours is a 5 row splitter behind a 6 row 7000. Under no circumstances would I ever consider pulling it behind a pickup. When going down the road it will whip a 2955 and this year we used our 4430 and it wasn't as noticeable.
Beware, however, that the weak point on this setup is the planter tongue. Ours broke this past year just a short distance behind the clevis. Take a good look at the tongue and you'll seen the material is pretty lightweight. Our planter is a 7000 conservation and I doubt that makes any difference. I attribute the breakage to the splitter.
My advice would be to haul it home!!!!!!!!!
Also, those bolts that hold the splitter tongues to the splitter tool bar brake easily. Replace them with larger bolts. I'll look at mine tomorrow and see if there is anything else to tell you about. We really like ours and use the JD radial bean meters.
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | ...Ross...
I have a White 9 X15".... The Deere is a 9X 18"...... I have 36" corn.
Thought I could drop one row off...move tractor drawbar over 9" and follow old corn rows.
If I get this pulled off I'll have a White for sale.
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | Just a thought.
If a fellow got it on a trailer or roll back bed implement truck.....could you drop it down on the planter units, and fasten up the crazy wheels and just let them hang over the side of the trailer?
Only other thought I had was a combine trailer, or something with out riggers to put the crazy wheels on.
...........................Mark
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Both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line | thanks for the pics and link |
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Virginia | Yes it would be OK to lower it on the planting units. We only bought the splitter unit since we had a planter. We loaded it from the side and removed the two hitch tongues which wasn't too hard if I remember correctly. I'll take a look in the AM and refresh my memory.
You also may be able to slide the hitch tongues toward the center of the splitter to get them close enough to fit on a trailer. A 102" wide deck may help also. |
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45 miles south spingfield il. | When I sold my splitter last year I took the wings off and basicly had the same as you. picked it up with loader and put on regular goose neck, lift assist wheels just hung alondside trailer, and we left the front bars on. Even had room for wings.
You'll like that outfit the only reason I got rid of mine was it measured 18ft7in in travel.The wings just went straight up and they needed to fold over. With the mud last year the JD was a lot lighter than the 16-31 kinzie I replaced it with. Good luck:) |
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Eastern Ont | We are running an 8 row 7000 with a 7 row splitter driving off the front transmission No problems
The odd time may be twice a year would shear a cotter pin on the one side that is driving the splitter but other than that is has worked great
Have the JD bean meters been realy happy with them
We have two lift assist wheels on the back of the splitter
Personally would not want extensions on either the seed or fertilizer
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Eastern Ont | What is the brace that you have on your markers?
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Corydon, IA | ayrporte - 2/14/2010 23:35 What is the brace that you have on your markers? I added that to give them some more stability so they wont bounce. If you add weights to make them cut in no till then the shear pins sometimes wont hold. So the braces solved both problems. I used a small bolt at the bottom so it will still shear if you hit something. Those markers just dont work in our no till conditions here very often without some help. |
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West Central Illinois -NW Iowa | we have a 6 (front) and 5 (splitter). We have been very happy with it. We had the 6 row and when we bought the splitter, we bought it from the company and everything was new. Dad hauled all the parts to the housee and we assymbled there.We love it. As others have said, i would be leery of pulling it that far. If you are on good roads, it will pull fine at 20mph, but once you hit bumpy patches, better be prepared to slow down. Ours has a transmission for the front, and a transmission on the rear, so i can't help you out there. Would say that the one problem i could see with that setup is the frame on the 4 row. neighbors, which happen to be relation of ours, have a 4 row wide and after we got our splitter, and they saw how slick it worked, they ordered one for theirs. they got a 3 row splitter for theirs. Also want to say that they busted their frame or had something big go wrong with it after they got their splitter. with the boxes full, that is alot of weight being put onto the frame and 2 tires, but i would say if you go slow, be smart, and the frame is in good shape on that planter, you shouldn't have any problems with the frame or other things while pulling through the field. |
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| and haul it. Never realized those old Deere planters were built so light that they can't take the extra weight of the semi-mount splitter resting on the front bar. I thought the old 5100 Whites were built really light but maybe they were heavier than the Deeres of the same time frame.
Here's a picture of the old White with the mounted splitter. The only time we ever had any problem with breaking something was hitting a badger hole with a wheel while turning around about 5 minutes after filling the seed boxes. I wouldn't have recommend pulling it a long ways but with a semi-mount splitter I wouldn't have hesitated to pull it a 100 miles.
I suppose there isn't enough room on the White frame to just shuffle the rows around to make it into an 8x18? Having the rows centered so you can pull it straight is nice.
The 1st splitter planter we had came here as a 9x18 and we added some bar to the rear and made it into a 10x18 with the rows centered so that we could plant 5x36 at a time. Worked good. Before it left it went back to 9 rows on 20" to plant in 30" stalks. Good luck whatever you do.
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| When I was converting a 4 row wide to narrow a few years ago, I got slow and checked with Kalsem Salvage at Waterloo about getting a narrow wheel frame, either 4 row with two wheels or 6 row with 4. Kalsem told me they were not available from salvage because they broke on planters supplied with fertilizer just from the weight. So I'd expect that to be a serious problem with the splitter.
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West Central Iowa | I bought a 7000 that had been converted to a bean planter by someone else. I wanted to convert it so that I had a 6R30 corn planter with detachable 5 row splitter. The unit I had started as a 8R30 before all of the modifications.
I preferred this 8 row unit to start with over a 6 row for these reasons:
- The 8 row frame is bigger and heavier than any of the 6 row (or even 4 row) models
- I liked the independant lift cylinders and four wheels that the 8 row was equipped with. The extra two wheels minimize the weight/wheel and the four wheels will follow uneven ground and prevent the unit from bouncing (as much).
In regards to the clutch, I know the 8 row 7000's only had one clutch. If the 4 rows used the same clutch, I wouldn't be concerned about running 9 rows with a clutch that JD put on 8 row machines. |
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Schlegel Farms, Hagerstown Indiana | I measured and there was no way to get the White out to 8X18.
The 7000 is heavier built than the 5100.....it compares more to the 6900 on the back. I liked the White planter in the field, but hated it in the shop. There was no room to work on anything. I think that is why the Deere has the lift assist wheels on the back, because the splitter bar is so much farther back....you can walk between the front and back units. Another reason I'd like to trade is I have a green dealer 15 minutes from the house. My only White dealers are one hour (used to be AC dealer), and two hours for the other from the house
You can see in the pics how much more room the Deere has.
.........................Mark.
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J. Deere 7000 splitter Planter
