Posted 1/30/2009 21:09 (#590796) Subject: building a bean planter?
wisconsin
Has anyone heard of building a bean planter by taking the wheels from the back of a JD 7000 8 row and putting them on the front side of tool bar so you can slide seed units together for 15" row beans? Reason for using 8 row is they have cylinder for every wheel. not just single lift cylinder with rockshaft. Thanks TBULL
Posted 1/30/2009 21:32 (#590822 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
We thought about doing the exact same thing. A neighbor built a 20 inch corn planter from an 8 row 7000 planter and we figured we could take it, slide every thing to 15 inch rows execpt where the wheels would be. Afterward we thought as you do about moving them to the front. It sold for more than we were willing to pay at the auction.
You would have to use a Rawson drive or something similiar as there is no room for the chaind betwen the rows and if moved to the front, would be completly different althougher.
INDY
Posted 1/30/2009 21:44 (#590827 - in reply to #590822) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
nw pa
Neighbor did that with his. Worked ok but tongue weight is a problem or lack of it. Also the units will not work well at 15 inches due to the hopper lids making contact. The only way around it is to use something else to cover the boxes. Drive can be run ok but center box needs extended back and have to run the drive for it off a jack shaft or up and around the frame. have seen many of these around the country. Most now just use a drill or interplants. i think if you look around you can find some that are already made.
Posted 1/30/2009 21:46 (#590831 - in reply to #590827) Subject: Re: building a bean planter?
East Central Iowa
My uncle actually spaced his units 18 inches apart so the box lids didn't hit each other. He figured the beans won't know if they are 15 or 18 inches apart.
Posted 1/30/2009 21:45 (#590830 - in reply to #590822) Subject: Re: building a bean planter?
East Central Iowa
I know a guy in this area who did it. They used three lift wheels in the front. Had an uncle who made one from a 7100 6 row planter. He cut the transmission off and used some U bolts and heavy angle iron and bolted it to the top of the toolbar, running the drive chain around the toolbar.
Then he put the planter on a coulter cart. Worked real well for him. Now they decided to go to 30 inch row beans because they went from 8 row 38 inch to a twelve row 30inch planter. They need to cover more ground. So, its for sale.
Posted 1/30/2009 22:02 (#590857 - in reply to #590830) Subject: Re: building a bean planter?
wisconsin
in regards to adding the 7x7 frame behind wheels and having less tounge weight I suppose you could add it in front and lengthen hitch to have positive hitch weight? Belray ? do you have contact # for planter that might be for sale? THANKS TBULL.
Posted 1/30/2009 23:09 (#590932 - in reply to #590823) Subject: Re: building a bean planter?
Devils Lake, ND
I think he was thinking the question was about moving 1/2 the row units to the front, like on a Kinze. Would having the wheels in front be any worse than a Bauer or Kinze front-fold bar?
Posted 1/30/2009 21:50 (#590836 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
West Central Wisconsin
your best option is to buy my Case ih 900 12 row 15 planter that we built :) All the row units were completely rebuilt 200 acres ago. row units are staggered 12 inches to increase trash flow.
Posted 1/30/2009 21:53 (#590842 - in reply to #590796) Subject: Re: building a bean planter?
-buy another 7x7 tube and weld it back of the wheels and drive with long chain from original drives-simple-heavy-cheap--Kearney planters may have some pics on there site
Posted 1/30/2009 23:46 (#590974 - in reply to #590842) Subject: Re: building a bean planter?
Driftless SW Wisconsin
Kearney in ON and Ernie Keller at Polk in IN have been successfully adding a second bar behind the wheels on a 7000 to make a 15" bean planter for years. Better rsidue flow and wt distrib but not as easy as it may look. jmho. Jim at Dawn
Posted 1/30/2009 21:53 (#590843 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
North central, IA
It works fine. I've seen a couple of them which were built at a shop nearby. There are two main issues, neither of them are show-stoppers. 1. negative tongue weight. and 2. You have to get a little creative with the position of the transmission and drive chains from the transmission to the main hex shaft. Oh, and fifteen inches may be a little optimistic for 7000 units. The bolt heads on the parallel arms will be touching and the box lids will rub each other off when the units move. Sixteen or seventeen is more realistic.
Posted 1/30/2009 21:57 (#590849 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
I have an article saved from the Farm Show magazine from several years ago when I was going to do the same thing. The fellow was from Maryland I think?? Anyway he did it and seemed to get along real well after he got the reverse tongue weight figured out. I talked with him on the phone and he explained how he built everything. Let me know and I could find the guys phone number and he could explain how he built his. I'm like some others and ended up finding one already built: a 7000 8RW wing-fold with 9 other units mounted to make a 17 row 18" planter. I'll second or third about the 15" being too close. Neighbor built an 11 row, 15" and can't keep the lids on and has cracked some of the boxes. I too don't think 2 or 3" will make much difference.
Posted 1/31/2009 06:44 (#591077 - in reply to #590882) Subject: RE: buy a 7200 box extension.
Central Mo
On mine I bought the 7200 1 bu box extension then split the original fiberglass box approx 12" on each ench, moved them together and bolted it. The 7200 box is an inch narrower than the 7000. Used it for 10 yrs with no problems.
I did see that Distel Mfg was making a box extension so you didn't need to split the figerglass one.
Posted 1/30/2009 22:05 (#590859 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
Ludington/Manistee MI area
Why don't you find some whetherell mounting brackets or make your own and set the units back. My 7100 has the whethrel units and I like them. By the way 18s work very well. Colfax tractor parts Colfax IA had fairly decent planter last fall with them on.
Posted 1/30/2009 23:56 (#590984 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
Parkston, SD
I built a twin row bean planter out of a pair of 800 IH's. You can buy them for a dime a dozen and they plant pretty good. They have a simple row unit. Nicer to bulk fill too!
Posted 1/31/2009 00:49 (#591018 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
Northeast SD
Send me an email address and Iwil send you some pic of what I copied and what I looked at to make my soy bean planter if you are interested. I havent taken the time to learn how to post pic on here and it mite take a couple emails to explain what works and what doesnt. My email is in my profile
Posted 1/31/2009 06:38 (#591076 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
NW Tennessee
Seen several 7100 mounted planters done that way. But, you might be able to find a 7240 planter pretty cheap. Ran one of those for years, good planters.
Posted 1/31/2009 08:23 (#591103 - in reply to #591076) Subject: RE: Why 15 in?
Is there a yield advantage where you are?
Around here there are a lot of 22 in rows. then they use for corn also. only need one planter! It also helps get the bean rows further apart to help with white mold etc.
not much, if any yield difference here on beans and yield is a plus for corn.
Posted 1/31/2009 22:33 (#591866 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
vp11,
Is this your planter? If it is, I've got one very similar to it and was wondering if you were able to fill your boxes up with beans? When I put just one bag of beans in each box, the tractor barely lifts the planter. It's not until I get an acre or two planted and get some beans out of the boxes that it starts to lift it easier. It could be my hydraulic pump, but I wondered if only having 4 lift wheels for 17 rows might be causing this since 12 row planters normally have 6 lift wheels. Just curious what you've found. (By the way I run mine on a IH 1466)
Posted 2/1/2009 09:33 (#592132 - in reply to #592119) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
Corydon, IA
I have a 7000 Deere planter with an interplant unit on the back. I dont have a picture of it handy right now but here is a link to a video that its in if youre intersted. Its past the middle half or so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgKyCvcSKk
It works pretty good for what it is. I have no tilled in cornstalks and bean stubble with good results. It was already built when I bought it. The biggest problem with it is the markers. They arent really heavy enough for no tilling in corn stalks, but the mods I did to them did help quite a bit.
Its an 8 row frame in the front. For some reason the cut the outer units off and put them on the rear bar so now it has 6 in the front and 7 in the back. I would eventually like to put 2 back on the front and build or find some better markers.
This unit is balanced almost perfectly. It is slightly rear heavy and they built a stand to drop down when you want to park it. Without seed, you can walk up to the tongue and easily push it down low to hook up to the tractor drawbar.
I can probably find more pictures if youre intersted.
Posted 2/1/2009 15:04 (#592508 - in reply to #590796) Subject: RE: building a bean planter?
Corydon, IA
Here is some pics I found of mine if youre intersted. A couple of them were taken the first year I had it and handt had time to level it up and set everything.
building a bean planter?
