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SEHancock
Posted 11/27/2018 18:18 (#7131745)
Subject: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


WC IL		Bought a new to me Case IH 7120 with fully integrated guidance. It also has included all of the Headsight Truesight equipment needed for guidance to harvest corn, except for the row sensors and wiring for the corn head. I was quoted $944 to get what I need to make it all work and my dealer told me they would help me set it up at no additional cost. My question to those of you who have it, Is it worth it? TIA

Edit: I have a Geringhoff NorthStar 830 corn head

Edited by SEHancock 11/27/2018 18:42
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Anderson Farms
Posted 11/27/2018 18:20 (#7131754 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


MN		YES!!! Got a John Deere head with the Deere system and it is worth it. Keeps you right on the row so it feeds in nicely and it will even steer you around slight curves. Also works on headlands without changing ab line.
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The Farmer
Posted 11/27/2018 18:24 (#7131766 - in reply to #7131754)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Yes go for it takes a little to get it calibrated but you will really like it. Have mine on 8120 with 12 row head . Really nice in down corn also allows you to concentrate on other operations!
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CaseFarmer
Posted 11/27/2018 20:34 (#7132231 - in reply to #7131766)
Subject: Yes but.


Flora IL		Dont buy the case system. It sucks and I plan on going to headlight next year
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CASE3594
Posted 11/27/2018 20:47 (#7132271 - in reply to #7132231)
Subject: RE: Yes but.


Pesotum, IL		Headsight is hands down the way to go. With the true sight 2 system, the case system has zero advantage over the headsight system. I liked the idea of running through the Pro, and now that’s available with the headsight system. I’ve fought the case rowguide system for hours. The headsight system I’ve talked guys through calibrating in 5 minutes. It’s simple and it works.
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jsfarms86
Posted 11/27/2018 18:23 (#7131764 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


NE		Is it a necessity? No but you will sure like it! It does a better job than I ever expected, this was also on a deere head so cant speak for case. I have noticed sometimes in down corn it could do a better job then me manually driving.
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AGB
Posted 11/27/2018 18:24 (#7131765 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Mid-Michigan		I don't have it but 944 bucks I would.
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deereonly1
Posted 11/27/2018 18:32 (#7131778 - in reply to #7131765)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


EC IL		Here again, not on a red machine but I like mine real well. One less thing to fight if you have other things to watch
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CaseIH7240
Posted 11/27/2018 18:42 (#7131807 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Ohio		For $944 don’t think twice. We spent $3500 to make our Deere a row sense head. Don’t regret that decision at all
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GT500KR53
Posted 11/27/2018 18:42 (#7131810 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


nebraska		If you do corn on corn with no till and run your head low to the ground last year's corn stalks interfer with the row wands on the Deere head when you split the rows when you plant,,,

now if you had stubble stompers on the corn head your prior year on that specific row it probably wouldn't bother,,,.
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Tomcat
Posted 11/27/2018 18:45 (#7131817 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?



Ludington/Manistee MI area		Honestly can’t muster the effort to follow the rows?

What’s next something to wipe your rear for you?
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mac4440
Posted 11/27/2018 20:51 (#7132283 - in reply to #7131817)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?



That was real intelligent....
Ever been in down corn, dusty conditions where you cant see the row?
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KTA
Posted 11/27/2018 20:58 (#7132299 - in reply to #7132283)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


His machines don't have power steering, batteries, lights and got a crank sticking out the front. Don't be too hard on him. He is a real man.
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mvpfarms
Posted 11/28/2018 07:26 (#7132936 - in reply to #7132299)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Crookston, MN		Don't forget the lack of a cab!
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Tomcat
Posted 11/28/2018 07:41 (#7132982 - in reply to #7132299)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?



Ludington/Manistee MI area
KTA - 11/27/2018 21:58

His machines don't have power steering, batteries, lights and got a crank sticking out the front. Don't be too hard on him. He is a real man.


I have two eyes and two hands I can steer just fine.
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Tomcat
Posted 11/28/2018 07:35 (#7132962 - in reply to #7132283)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?



Ludington/Manistee MI area
mac4440 - 11/27/2018 21:51

That was real intelligent....
Ever been in down corn, dusty conditions where you cant see the row?


Less electronics less gremlins. The more I’m forced to interact with a process the closer I watch it. This will lead to another video by Minnesota Millenial farmer that portrays our industry badly.
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CASE3594
Posted 11/28/2018 16:14 (#7133922 - in reply to #7132962)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Pesotum, IL		The more the machine will do for me, the more I can focus on the things it can't do. Like avoid a rock or catch a row cleaner that stopped turning. I swore up and down autoguidance would not make me less tired driving a tractor. I never got out of one thinking I was tired. I had not idea how wrong I was. Just one day worth of running with guidance and I was blown away how much better I felt. After that I started noticing how much more closely I was watching other things. Now, with a job where I support precision farming equipment, I can vouch for how many more phone calls I get related to things that wouldn't have been noticed before autosteer. Letting the equipment steer itself in a straight line gives you the ability to focus on performance rather than driving straight. You can talk about 'unnecessary' things all you want, but you are wrong in thinking someone driving a machine will catch the things that someone using autosteer will. But it comes down to the person as well. If you engage the guidance then sit back and read a book while cutting beans, yeah, you'll probably take in a rock you wouldn't have if you were driving.

Less electronics might mean less gremlins. But, do you use equipment with power steering? More than one gear in a transmission? Air conditioning? These are all things that were considered 'luxury' at one time. Someone somewhere said "power steering is just another cost and something else to go wrong".
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caseih9280
Posted 11/28/2018 17:12 (#7134046 - in reply to #7132962)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


NE SoDak		He portrays our industry badly??
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haybstr67
Posted 11/27/2018 18:56 (#7131853 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


NE SD		Another yes vote here. Really makes unloading relaxing not having to steer while topping off a cart.
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packerfan
Posted 11/27/2018 19:11 (#7131902 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Western illinois		That's a no brainer IMO.
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Big brother
Posted 11/27/2018 19:31 (#7131962 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


southern ontario		If ours quits dad calls instantly he’s 73 and loves it . I do to when I get chance to run it !
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SEHancock
Posted 11/27/2018 19:51 (#7132042 - in reply to #7131962)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


WC IL		My dad loved to shell corn and did so until he was 77. He got glaucoma and couldn't see the snouts well in the shadows and was afraid he would tear up the head so quit. I wish we had guidance and height sensors back then so he could have ran the machine longer.
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inotill
Posted 11/27/2018 20:03 (#7132096 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?



Harlan, KY		Had an S780 demo this year with it, I wasnt too impressed, but was in great conditions and long straight rows. Just felt like it kept wandering alot more than what I could steer it myself.

Probably used it an hour.
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bpreuss
Posted 11/27/2018 20:32 (#7132225 - in reply to #7132096)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


MN		If you were able to stay on the row better, I would venture to guess the RowSense wasn’t engaged.
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CASE3594
Posted 11/27/2018 20:18 (#7132162 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Pesotum, IL		You already own $5051 of the system. To me, I wouldn’t think twice to spend $944 to make a $5995 system work. You won’t regret it. No, it’s not necessary. But it’s nice. If you don’t do it now, you’ll do it when you have down corn. Then, you’ll be trying to learn a new system and worrying about down corn at the same time.

Is this a trusight 2 system that runs through the VT on the Pro 700 or does it have its own display? Either way it works great, but going through the VT is really slick in my opinion.
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SEHancock
Posted 11/27/2018 20:35 (#7132232 - in reply to #7132162)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


WC IL		This combine has a Pro600 and this runs on its own system. Still a nice bonus. I did not know combine had this equipment left in it until I drove up and inspected it.
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CASE3594
Posted 11/27/2018 20:42 (#7132256 - in reply to #7132232)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Pesotum, IL		Well, with the headsight equipment, nav controller and GPS receiver, you gained about $14,500 worth of guidance equipment. One word of caution on the Pro 600. There is currently a trade up program where you can get $1,300 in credit towards a Pro 700. Not that there is ton to gain, but you may not ever get nearly that much for it once the program is over. Only thing is I’m starting to get a little skeptical about how much longer repair and support will be around for the 600. Nothing I know of in the works, just me looking at all possibilities. Just wanted to throw that out there. Should be able to get a new Pro 700 installed in it for under $3,500 with this program.
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Farminstrong
Posted 11/27/2018 20:33 (#7132229 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


wcia		best thing you can ever have!!!
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Birddy
Posted 11/27/2018 20:44 (#7132263 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


ND

SEHancock - 11/27/2018 18:18 Bought a new to me Case IH 7120 with fully integrated guidance. It also has included all of the Headsight Truesight equipment needed for guidance to harvest corn, except for the row sensors and wiring for the corn head. I was quoted $944 to get what I need to make it all work and my dealer told me they would help me set it up at no additional cost. My question to those of you who have it, Is it worth it? TIA Edit: I have a Geringhoff NorthStar 830 corn head

No, it is not worth it.

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caseih9280
Posted 11/27/2018 21:09 (#7132335 - in reply to #7132263)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


NE SoDak		Yes, it is worth it!
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rubfarms
Posted 11/27/2018 22:42 (#7132556 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


se mn		We had the exact circumstance that you are in. Never thought that it would be necessary. Operator fatigue is extremely minimized. Topping off the cart is much easier. Chopping head does a better job if you are always directly over the row. Corn feeds into the head better. Can do a much better job paying attention to the multiple things going on with the combine. Don't think twice, you wont be disappointed.
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swne
Posted 11/27/2018 23:12 (#7132599 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska		For that price I would probably just go ahead and put it on. I had the Truesight guidance on a previous header and combine but I did not install it on the machine I have now. Here, we used it some. Any long skips in the rows and you had to grab the steering wheel. Skips were either drowned out terrace channels or pivot tracks. Not a big deal but I just found myself using it less and less. Nice even corn would probably be a different matter.
Add....On continuous corn with old standing stalks, we couldn't use it. The old stalks would hit the wands and cause deflection.

Edited by swne 11/27/2018 23:15
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biggrntractor
Posted 11/28/2018 06:35 (#7132830 - in reply to #7132599)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Northern Illinois

I thought it was the dumbest thing I ever heard of. I always thought a 12 row in good corn would take you where it wanted. The first year it was out our Salesman gave us the kit and the Rowsense activation. He said put it on and if you don't like it give it back after season. I called him at noon the first day we had it on and told him to send the bill. We have been running it for 9-10 years now. What ever BS stories how great it is are mostly true, Guy with the 780, your doing something wrong. We ran it on a 9770 and now a 680, Drago 12 and 16 row heads. Plant with RTK and combine has those components in the fall. RTK is nice for cutting a new land and not having to count rows. When I get into the 1st cut I click the button once for only autosteer in case the planter wasn't perfectly straight. If it is off and you click a second time to engage the rowsense right away it will slide the AB line over. So sometimes then you will leave the good old 1 row snow fence or could use the 11 row head for the last pass. Anyway well worth it.

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Too Tall
Posted 11/28/2018 07:07 (#7132900 - in reply to #7132830)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Northwest IA. Near Ft. Dodge		Use it about half the time. Not in love with it. Could do without it. Use it when topping off cart or eating lunch or writing something down. Is nice to have. For that money , get it.
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MN Dave 2
Posted 11/28/2018 07:40 (#7132978 - in reply to #7132900)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


When we went to a green combine from red we put the auto steering in it. In soybeans it is fantastic. For corn it was another $2500 and I was a little hesitant on spending the $$s. My son told me that to try it and if I didn't like it we could take it out and get most of the $$s back. After running it for 1/2 day I told him that if he tried to take it out there was going to be a heck of a fight, I didn't know if I could take him any more, but I would try too.

I don't notice anyone mention the difference in ground speed. With our old red combine (2188 with 8-30") we would travel 3.5-4 MPH. With our green (9660 with 8-30") we are traveling 5-5.5MPH. It doesn't sound like much difference but it certainly seems like a world of difference to me. I had no trouble staying on the row at 3.5, but at 5MPH auto steer does a much better job than I can do all day long, especially when sidewinding.
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assault
Posted 11/28/2018 15:23 (#7133841 - in reply to #7132978)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Iowa		I have row sense on mine and I couldn't get to to work even on straight rows, tried every calibration setting known to man and just gave up. I have to ha e a sensor issue but it reads when the sensor moves but it sure as hell doesnt follow the rows. Will try again next year I guess, didn't work the best on our lexion either
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CASE3594
Posted 11/29/2018 10:19 (#7135677 - in reply to #7133841)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Pesotum, IL		Assault,

Are you running a red combine? Are you running the factory header feelers "Rowguide" or Headsight "Trusight"? If you're running the factory Case IH system (easy way to tell is if it has steel feelers instead of the blue poly that headsight uses) I ran into an issue with the Case IH factory system this fall that I was sure was a setting or calibration issue. The customer moved the sensor from his 8 row head to a newer 12 row that he got this year. I fought and fought with the system trying to make it work. Finally, I figured out that the two sensors were wired backwards. The right sensor was on the left and the left was on the right. I was by myself at the combine and he was wanting to run fairly soon, so I ended up switching the wiring at the connector on the back of the head which switched the sensors. To find this, I wired one of the sensors back and checked the display. When I wired the RH sensor back, it showed a voltage change in the LH sensor box on the display. Not sure if this is related to your problem whatsoever, but I thought I'd throw it out there. If you're running the headsight system, I would highly encourage you to call Headsight and talk to Dan. They're very helpful and knowledgeable about the product.
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Eagle0812
Posted 11/29/2018 19:36 (#7136607 - in reply to #7131745)
Subject: RE: Corn head guidance, is it worth it?


Ohio		First year running a deere 612 with the row sense, absolutely worth it. First day running it, it wanted to wander a bit kicking on and off. Had to bend the feelers in so they were an inch apart or so and then it stayed locked on rest of season.
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