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Greenleafagronomy
Posted 9/2/2018 19:55 (#6965819)
Subject: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


John Burleson Hyde County, North Carolina
How big of difference between the S6's- S8'S. If you were going to buy a used machine which would be the best buy for corn/bean operation. Can't the early series be upgraded with some of the newer improvements?
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silverluv75
Posted 9/2/2018 22:22 (#6966173 - in reply to #6965819)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


SE North Dakota
Not sure which series you are asking about? I like the S77 like a late model. The 8 series had motor issues in the early 7 cylinder motor. Also some issues with the 2 speed hydro in them. Both machines would be good.
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JarrodACFan
Posted 9/2/2018 22:30 (#6966195 - in reply to #6965819)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Delaware County, IN
Disclaimer: I am not a dealer, just a farmer that likes following the Gleaner combines. This is from memory, so I may be off on some of it. We currently run a 2014 S67.

2011-2014: Sx7 Series (S67 & S77)- The first number in the model designates the size and the second number is the series. These are the first "super series" combines. All of these are pretty good, but as with any new model, the first couple years could have a few more problems than the 2013-2014 models, but most of these should have been fixed by now. The 2011-2012 models have the "old style" C2000 monitor in the cab, which is a bit less user friendly than the newer C3000 (2013-2016), which I prefer. All of the Sx7 series (2011-2014) have Tier 4 emissions, with DPF and DEF. They do not have EGR, so it is basically a tier 2 engine with aftertreatment. The longevity of the actual engine shouldn't be affected as much as something with EGR. Both the S67 and S77 have the 6 cylinder Sisu, which has proved very reliable. The rotor gearbox is similar to what is on the late R series. These would not have the upgraded rear feed chain drum and floor, but that hasn't been a problem as far as we can tell. These came from the factory with rubber accelerator rolls, which should have been replaced with bright orange poly ones by now, or they should be.

2014-2016: Sx8 Series (S68, S78, S88)- The Sx8 series brought a few updates, with the rear feed floor being lowered and the drum being raised to improve rotor feeding. These have the new rotor gearbox, which has some different gear ratios. Our dealer said they are having a bit more trouble with these than the old ones. These should have been standard from the factory with the poly accelerator rolls. This is the first time Gleaner has had a Class 8 Transverse, so if you are looking for a class 8, this would be your first opportunity for one of those. The Sx8 series is Tier 4 Final, so it has EGR in addition to DPF and DEF. In the Sx8's there are 2 different engines, the old 6 cylinder in the S68, and the new 7-cylinder in the S78 and S88, which has mixed reviews depending on who you talk to.

2016-current: S9x Series (S96, S97, S98)- Yes, they screwed up the model numbers on these. Now the first number is the series and the second number is the size. These are mechanically very similar to the Sx8 series, with the one main difference being the 4-inch longer feederhouse. The big change is the new cab and controls. These have the newest Fendt cab with the latest tech. It is all drive-by-wire now, with the gearshift and parking brake now controlled electronically.

Now that you know some of the differences, you can evaluate what you want. Virtually anything mechanical on the S9x series can be moved back to the Sx7 series if needed. Many things should have been updated on warranty from Agco and be more like the newer ones. If I were buying one, I'd look for a 2013-2014 Sx7 series. They don't have EGR, have the new monitor, and can be updated with basically anything from the newer ones. There aren't really any "bad" S-series combines to stay away from, but the Sx7 ones "may" be the best.
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Lee
Posted 9/3/2018 06:45 (#6966406 - in reply to #6966195)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Bruce County Ontario

Good Summary with one exception Gleaners don't have DPF 

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JarrodACFan
Posted 9/3/2018 07:37 (#6966498 - in reply to #6966406)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Delaware County, IN
Until today I would have bet anything that you were incorrect and that they had a DPF, but you are correct! No DPF, just DEF! I learned something today!

All S-series machines have the reversing fan and smart cooling. Once you see the reversing fan work, you will wonder how you got by without it!

As to the fuel tank, I am pretty sure that they got bigger on the Sx8 series in 2014. From 150 gallons to 230 gallons I believe.

Edited by JarrodACFan 9/3/2018 07:38
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Stout Farms
Posted 9/3/2018 08:40 (#6966612 - in reply to #6966498)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?



JarrodACFan - 9/3/2018 08:37

Until today I would have bet anything that you were incorrect and that they had a DPF, but you are correct! No DPF, just DEF! I learned something today!

All S-series machines have the reversing fan and smart cooling. Once you see the reversing fan work, you will wonder how you got by without it!

As to the fuel tank, I am pretty sure that they got bigger on the Sx8 series in 2014. From 150 gallons to 230 gallons I believe.


Wow, you sure do know your stuff about Cleaners. I'm surprised GM Guy hasn't shown up yet.
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smoking4020
Posted 9/3/2018 07:21 (#6966462 - in reply to #6966195)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Do all the S series have smart cooling and reversing fan ?
Also when did they go with the larger fuel tank ?
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tab
Posted 9/3/2018 09:13 (#6966690 - in reply to #6966462)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Mid mich.
Not all,but you can have it installed on all I know it was not available at least in 2011 I believe the bigger tank came with the 8 series
Tim

Edited by tab 9/3/2018 09:15
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temslie
Posted 9/3/2018 08:46 (#6966629 - in reply to #6966195)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


ND and MN
Thanks for the nice summary! Last upgrade was from an R-50 to R-62, so I'm saving this for when we catch up in a few years, ha ha.
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tab
Posted 9/3/2018 09:26 (#6966717 - in reply to #6965819)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Mid mich.
I have had good luck with my 2011 S77 for a first year model very few issues for me other than I shelled out the rotor gear box the first year. since then I run beans in low range spead up most all the way no more issues. But because of that I would go to an 8 series with the bigger gear box. If I was serious about upgrading I would check out the 78 Randels have it seams pretty reasonably priced
Tim
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Straitpipe
Posted 9/3/2018 16:15 (#6967421 - in reply to #6966717)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


East Central SD
We had a 2011 and a 2013 S77.

The 13 seemed to be about a 1/3 more combine compared to the 11.

In beans the throat was the limiting factor on the 11

In corn the clean grain cross auger was the limiting factor.

We traded the 11 for another used 13 model.
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1156versatile
Posted 9/3/2018 11:23 (#6966936 - in reply to #6965819)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Strathcona, mn
With a little of Dan hurts super tuning I’d love to see what a s88 would eat! I’ve learned that a r76’s shoe cleaning capacity of wheat is around 1850-1900 bph. I’m impressed what my little r75 and r76 can do, can’t imagine what a s88 would do. All without sacrificing an extra 15000-20000# of extra weight to drag around.
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kom05
Posted 9/3/2018 13:00 (#6967108 - in reply to #6966936)
Subject: RE: which of the S gleaners would you buy?


Hannibal, MO
IMO you should either get a 6 series and mod it out or jump up to an 8 series to get the bigger rotor drive and 7 cylinder engine if you get a 78 or 88. If doing wet corn I would get a 15 or newer to get cascade grain pan. If you go with 8 series you need to do feeder house mod and put the sweeps on thrashing side. If purely a bean machine put 9 sweeps on and take out 2 reverse bars. Leave the covers on the cage and helicals in. I would add extra helicals in as Dan Hurtt does. In corn you need to take helicals off the door, have all 4 reverse bars in and sweeps on thrashing side only. I would also run a corn ring helical on both setups. Also only run top corn chaffer in wet corn.

As far as service work goes check the ball bearings in front feeder drive clutch every 500 hrs. These will spin on the shaft and left go and ruin shaft and magnetic to the tune of 2500 bucks.

Main bearings every 700 sep hrs or so.

Have had to do a couple def modules with pumps, Have been into transmission for thrust washer issue.

Just our experience.

Edited by kom05 7/6/2021 22:08
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