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Breeggy
Posted 7/28/2018 22:24 (#6898579)
Subject: Round baling MPH?


How fast or slow does everyone round bale?
My setup with a CX105 McCormick and 457 JD baler I run about 3.5 to get the best bales. Nice and dense. 2 10’ cuts into one windrow.

Obviously there are many variables but on average what’s everyone run?
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JPT
Posted 7/28/2018 22:32 (#6898590 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


I'd never get anything done if I did that. I run as fast as terrain and windrow allows, about 8 mph is as fast as I go. Usually 5 or 6 mph.

Ps. Maybe your windrows are a lot heavier than mine, but I rake two 14's together.

Edited by JPT 7/28/2018 22:34
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ohiostein
Posted 7/28/2018 22:33 (#6898591 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Krone baler 2 9ft cuts 7-8 mph makes 4x5 bales 6 bales to the acre
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KLo
Posted 7/28/2018 22:34 (#6898596 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?



Northeast, NE		JD 569 and Agco/Hesston 5556 we run 5-7mph on two 14' windrows raked together,as conditions allow.



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dt4020
Posted 7/28/2018 22:37 (#6898599 - in reply to #6898596)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Fairbury, NE (Southeast)		sounds about right. Don't have smooth fields or could go 8-9 with no issues. Vermeer M.
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Toepincher
Posted 7/28/2018 22:52 (#6898610 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


North Dakota		My wife does about 80% of the baling. Usually has one baler tire in contact with the ground if smooth.
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oldskool
Posted 7/28/2018 23:09 (#6898629 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?



567 behind a 4440 ps here usually 5th or 6th. If it’s straw in a smooth field will grab 7th. So somewhere between 6 and 10mph? Double swath with a 25ft head up to 3bales/acre.
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carlsoncl
Posted 7/29/2018 00:03 (#6898671 - in reply to #6898629)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Beresford, SD		C3-4 here.....4430 and a 569. Just checked 3rd cut tonight, it's a week out. Dam. Bugs got a hold of it in all my old stand.....gonna really cut down on my tonnage....still a week out from cutting. New seeding second cut looks crazy good not a bug to be found. If baled, always rake together two windrows knocked down by my 956.

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waterspman
Posted 7/29/2018 01:25 (#6898692 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


swmn		I always figured bales per hour is more important than mph. 14 mph vs 6 who gets more done. Usually 6 depending on windrows

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yongfarmer89
Posted 7/29/2018 05:04 (#6898711 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


whitesville new york		5-8 mph here. Typically 2 13ft swaths raked together. Typically baling about 30 bales per hr on 1.5-2 bales per acre stuff.
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Direct Injected
Posted 7/29/2018 05:36 (#6898719 - in reply to #6898711)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SW, Missouri		9-10 as others have said to much to do to run slow. Baling all a R2800 Vermeer rake will pull together. RB460 NH baler

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angus man
Posted 7/29/2018 05:51 (#6898730 - in reply to #6898719)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


N E Illinois		Lot of variables.
Windrow size
Terrain
Run two fast and I have to use brakes excessively. Not good.
I like the big squares , not stopping.
Last time I got in a custom field with my square. Baler. The guy with the round baler went home. Lol
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JPT
Posted 7/29/2018 10:07 (#6899150 - in reply to #6898730)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Only time I was baling in a field beside a big square baler I baled circles around him. It was rough prairie ground, I have flotation tires all the way around running low pressure, probably wouldn't happen on smooth ground.
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cflory
Posted 7/29/2018 05:54 (#6898733 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


NE kansas		I have found the slower I go and with a smaller hp tractor the less I tear up, better bales and much fewer miss ties. That said its hard to get through my head that slower could be faster. Less time stopped tieing because more hay in the bale = less stops. Generally, field conditions dictate speed but I can't stand to see the most expensive piece of equipment we own bounce across the field.
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5 Head
Posted 7/29/2018 07:03 (#6898792 - in reply to #6898733)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


South West MN		Depends how close the rain clouds are. Bailed at 14 mph once. Didn’t get done in time.

Most of the time I bale at 8-9 mph.
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t-boss
Posted 7/29/2018 08:01 (#6898898 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?



sc ia		I would think you could improve your hay quality by going faster than 3.5. Conditions are always different every time you bale but generally you'll get more leaves going faster. Grass wouldn't matter. Also, there's usually an optimum time of the day to bale to make the best hay, so the faster you go the more bales you can make in that window.
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JPT
Posted 7/29/2018 10:11 (#6899163 - in reply to #6898898)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Good point! Lifting the windrow in instead of ripping through it. The pickup teeth that is.

Edited by JPT 7/29/2018 12:34
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farkfamilyfarm
Posted 7/29/2018 08:25 (#6898944 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


West Manchester Ohio		I have a new Holland 644 behind a 4455. 4-5 mph is the best I can do. 2 swaths 1411 discbine raked together. It makes a nice bale, and it’s paid for. The guy that used to custom bale for me had a John Deere and he baled 8-10 mph. In his words he ran it like he stole it. I’ve seen that baler go airborne going through a washout. That guy is not in business anymore
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Mitchco
Posted 7/29/2018 08:39 (#6898971 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SW OH		5-10 depending on windrow size and horsepower. Going faster makes heavier bales. 4230 pulling a 457.

Mitchco
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HT67
Posted 7/29/2018 09:32 (#6899072 - in reply to #6898971)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Virginia		How does going faster make a heavier bale?
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Mitchco
Posted 7/29/2018 10:23 (#6899186 - in reply to #6899072)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SW OH		Cramming it in so fast gets more in. Filling a bale in 30 seconds will make a 820 pound average weight versus 750 pounds at 3 minute fill time in the same feild.

Mitchco
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3 M L & C
Posted 7/29/2018 11:20 (#6899282 - in reply to #6899186)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


NW Kansas		Your logic is backwards here. Going slower will pack bales tighter and get more weight per bale. With my round baler we can make 1200 lb bales going 8 mph or 1450 lb bales going 5.5. With same psi setting. When you stop for 20 seconds to wrap 3 wraps you will get done with the field quicker by going slower. This is not taking into consideration leaf loss etc.I don’t have any alfalfa.
It’s not bales per hour. It’s Tons per hour.....

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beanplanter
Posted 7/29/2018 12:17 (#6899365 - in reply to #6899186)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Missouri

You lost me at 800lb bales, but with my old Hesston it seems to be the opposite. If you gear down on a properly made windrow the pressure gauge stays pegged and the bales get heavier. The extra revolutions make them dense enough the cows struggle to get tore into the centers. Speed up and the pressure gauge decreases and the bales get lighter and easier for the cows to pull from. My fields can't handle much speed anyways, and maybe my old equipment can't either, but making, moving, and then feeding 800lb bales would drive me way more insane than just slow rolling a 12-1400lb bale.

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Scottjoe
Posted 7/29/2018 17:27 (#6899938 - in reply to #6899365)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Southern kansas		Back east I bought hundreds of those light weight bales.
A "900lb" bale never weighed over six.
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cjd12000
Posted 7/29/2018 12:27 (#6899388 - in reply to #6899186)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


candor ny
Mitchco - 7/29/2018 10:23

Cramming it in so fast gets more in. Filling a bale in 30 seconds will make a 820 pound average weight versus 750 pounds at 3 minute fill time in the same feild.

Mitchco


That might be a 457 trait as thin hay that takes a while to roll a bale always come out oval shaped and are hard to wrap quicker I bale tighter they seem and hold shape better.
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d6btex
Posted 7/30/2018 07:21 (#6900957 - in reply to #6899186)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?



SE Texas

Too funny!

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hillrunner
Posted 7/29/2018 14:22 (#6899606 - in reply to #6898971)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Mitchco - 7/29/2018 07:39

5-10 depending on windrow size and horsepower. Going faster makes heavier bales. 4230 pulling a 457.

Mitchco


That's my experience as well. Baling faster always equals heavier bales for me. I'm always told the opposite but I have experimented with this in the field. Slowing down 2 mph made it obviously less far down the windrow before being full. I usually ran around 8mph with my 568.
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Mitchco
Posted 7/30/2018 09:00 (#6901137 - in reply to #6899606)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SW OH		We have a set of truck scales. Put 11 bales on a wagon baled fast and 11 baled slow. Hard to argue with the results.

Mitchco
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MJD02
Posted 7/29/2018 08:50 (#6898998 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


West River, SD		688 NH or 555xl Vermeer. 10 if the field is smooth enough, but it usually is not. Most of the time, it is 5-6.
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cattledriver
Posted 7/29/2018 08:58 (#6899014 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Oklahoma		8-8.5 on avg. Depends how smooth the field is.
7800 pulling 560-M.
Rake two 16 ft rows together.

Have baled alfalfa in D2 with a rain coming. Pretty scaring when your like dukes of hazard on the corners. Haha

Edited by cattledriver 7/29/2018 09:19
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lacockcattleco
Posted 7/29/2018 09:21 (#6899052 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


N.E. MT		Right now we are baling 2 36’ers put together. Running about 9-10mph with 569s. Barley that is Doing about .5 ton to the acre. Pretty sad but our only option.
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hog987
Posted 7/29/2018 09:33 (#6899077 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?



Central Alberta		Once again bales per hour is more important than speed. I would rather bale 45-50 bales an hour at 3 miles than 20 bales an hour at over 7.5 miles an hour.
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JPT
Posted 7/29/2018 10:19 (#6899178 - in reply to #6899077)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


hog987 - 7/29/2018 09:33

I would rather bale 45-50 bales an hour
Ok, I gotta call bs on this one! In a respectful way of course. :)
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Small town farmer
Posted 7/29/2018 10:27 (#6899198 - in reply to #6899178)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


West Central mn		At least 45 bales an hour when material is thick, are baler is never slacking we keep her full.
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hog987
Posted 7/29/2018 10:41 (#6899225 - in reply to #6899178)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?



Central Alberta		My record is 52 bales an hour. 4x5 rounds at 900 pounds twine tied. Have hit 48-49 bales an hour several times but only ever broke the 50 bale mark once. This year with poor yields and faster speeds iam putting out 15-20 bales an hour.
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cjd12000
Posted 7/29/2018 12:20 (#6899373 - in reply to #6899225)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


candor ny		Best we can hit with net is a bale in 70 seconds from gate shut to gate shut. Average 41 a hour moving field to field keeps it from being more. 4x5 bales
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Scottjoe
Posted 7/29/2018 18:44 (#6900074 - in reply to #6899373)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Southern kansas		What do they weigh?
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cjd12000
Posted 7/29/2018 18:51 (#6900089 - in reply to #6900074)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


candor ny		830 ish the few we have weighed.
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JPT
Posted 7/29/2018 12:38 (#6899404 - in reply to #6899225)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Ok hog I stand corrected.
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cornncows
Posted 7/29/2018 15:03 (#6899672 - in reply to #6899178)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Ne Nebraska
JPT - 7/29/2018 10:19

hog987 - 7/29/2018 09:33

I would rather bale 45-50 bales an hour
Ok, I gotta call bs on this one! In a respectful way of course. :)


In heavy alfalfa and prairie hay it’s not too difficult to hit 45 or more bales per hour. And I’m making 1500lb grass and 1800lb+ alfalfa bales. Big windrows pushing 10mph can push a bale a minute. Deere 567 baler here.

I’ll bale as fast as conditions allow. Sometimes that 6mph sometimes it’ll be 10+. I’d say avg 8-9. As long as I can sit in the seat and baler Eating it up just roll on!
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scottcattle
Posted 7/29/2018 16:13 (#6899805 - in reply to #6899672)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Storla SD		Depends on field conditions and if rain is coming. 10 is pretty normal but down to 4 in rough fields up to 17 in smooth field with rain coming.



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MJD02
Posted 7/29/2018 21:37 (#6900519 - in reply to #6899805)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


West River, SD		Is that a Ford Genesis?
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scottcattle
Posted 7/29/2018 22:07 (#6900596 - in reply to #6900519)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Storla SD		Yep a 8770 pulling a Vermeer 605n
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Helland
Posted 7/29/2018 22:21 (#6900629 - in reply to #6900596)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SE ND		Rumor here was vermeer dealer put there fendt on a 605M to see how she did in road gear. Baled up windrow but wasn't the prettiest cleanest field behind it.
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MJD02
Posted 7/31/2018 07:40 (#6903037 - in reply to #6900596)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


West River, SD
scottcattle - 7/29/2018 22:07

Yep a 8770 pulling a Vermeer 605n


I would not mind that entire setup for balin.
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ntexcotton
Posted 7/29/2018 09:35 (#6899081 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


North Central Texas		I have too many fireants and hog wallers. I usually run at 7 but the windrow better barely fit under the tractor. The most expensive part of hay is a baler running. The cheapest part is a rake. The less feet the baler travels, the less cost. The harder you cram hay in a baler either by a heavy windrow or speed, the denser the bale.
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ahay68979
Posted 7/29/2018 09:51 (#6899115 - in reply to #6899081)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Saronville NE		On alfalfa usually 8+ mph, 2-16 ft windrows raked together this is on irrigated hay. On grass hay due to field conditions usually 6-7 mph. 8110 on 568. Raking is most important get it perfect width between tires that is same width of head and roll, no swerving needed.

Never have understood baling slow unless field conditions don't warrant the speed. Only have a small window to get it right, so you better use every second of that window.
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bleedgreen720
Posted 7/29/2018 10:01 (#6899139 - in reply to #6899115)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


AB.
ahay68979 - 7/30/2018 08:51

On alfalfa usually 8+ mph, 2-16 ft windrows raked together this is on irrigated hay. On grass hay due to field conditions usually 6-7 mph. 8110 on 568. Raking is most important get it perfect width between tires that is same width of head and roll, no swerving needed.

Never have understood baling slow unless field conditions don't warrant the speed. Only have a small window to get it right, so you better use every second of that window.


Dido
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johndeere1
Posted 7/29/2018 12:19 (#6899369 - in reply to #6899081)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Central Saskatchewan Canada
ntexcotton - 7/29/2018 09:35
. The harder you cram hay in a baler either by a heavy windrow or speed, the denser the bale.


Didn't know things worked opposite in Texas to the rest of the world.
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ntexcotton
Posted 7/29/2018 13:58 (#6899565 - in reply to #6899369)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


North Central Texas		Making a good windrow is what makes a dense bale of hay. Then buying a deere baler that can eat it faster than the rest. :)

Simple test. Put a pressure guage on the baler with numbers. Take some hay with good moisture so it won't puke out the baler. If your baling 4x5s make a 4x4 and stop. Keep the bale turning. Pressure drops the longer it runs.

When you push it hard, you will have an increase in pressure that the relief valve is slow to respond too and results in pressure spikes. Slow and easy gives the relief valve time to bypass. So the guy who keeps his baler full should make more dense bales the the one who doesnt.
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Scottjoe
Posted 7/29/2018 18:50 (#6900086 - in reply to #6899565)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Southern kansas		Some people don't put up ton sized bales.
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eight
Posted 7/29/2018 20:56 (#6900396 - in reply to #6900086)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


South Texas		Why would you want smaller?
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Scottjoe
Posted 7/30/2018 11:49 (#6901392 - in reply to #6900396)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Southern kansas		That's what I don't understand.
Maybe for stantion milkers that have a spinner to feed the hay in front of the milking cows.
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Traveler
Posted 7/29/2018 09:43 (#6899095 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


East River SoDak		Vermeer 605sm, rarely go under 10 mph baling alfalfa with 2 16’ windrows raked together. The large tires on a baler really help with the ride when baling at higher speeds. Rough grassy areas 5-8. Baling speed is all about windrow preparation
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wbstofer
Posted 7/29/2018 09:43 (#6899097 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


North Central IN		Deere 459, pulled by my 6410. Bale about 4.5-5.5 mph. 2-12’ windrows raked together on first cut, the. 4-12’s on second thru fourth cut. It doesn’t take much longer to rake that way, and I can cover ground so much faster with the baler. Not sure how you guys bale that fast seems like I would bounce off the ceiling if I moved up a gear.

When we planted the last field, we did full tillage, planted with a Brillion seeder, and rented a Summers 40’ roller and rolled it twice.

What am I missing? How do you get the fields that smooth? Do you roll it every year?

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Direct Injected
Posted 7/29/2018 11:41 (#6899314 - in reply to #6899097)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SW, Missouri		My thought is you have 80-100 acres down to bale that's pretty heavy, figure how many miles that will be in a days time. So if your running 3.5-4.5 vs 8-10 mph your gonna cover more ground running faster quicker, might be difference in getting it up dry or wet. Question for the guys running slower or don't understand running fast how many acres a day are you covering? Not picking on anyone just backing my stance of why I drive fast.
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3 M L & C
Posted 7/29/2018 11:55 (#6899338 - in reply to #6899314)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


NW Kansas		When we had this discussion around here I was baling some feed making around 6 ton an acre dry. When you’re stopped for 20 seconds per bale to wrap you are not covering any acres. I baled 60 acres at 8 mph and the other 60 acres of the pivot at 5.5. Got done in less time going 5.5 and had less bales to move and used less net on the 60 going slower. Also less wear and tear on tractor and baler. This all has to do with the size of your windrow. I was baling one windrow of 13’ swather. More revolution per bale makes a tighter bale equals more weight per bale.
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rightsaidfred
Posted 7/29/2018 12:55 (#6899435 - in reply to #6899097)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Mountain West

What am I missing? How do you get the fields that smooth? Do you roll it every year? 

It's a soil thing.  Lighter, sandier soils tend to lay out smoother.  Heavier soils hold the ruts and bumps.

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jcd107
Posted 7/29/2018 13:47 (#6899550 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


N Middle Tn		Wet hay 6 and 7 mph with 2 10 foot swaths at 25 5x5 per hour.
Dry hay 7 and 8 mph with all a 2300 can rake at 30 rolls per hour.
All twine wrapped
Rolled 59 in an hour one time 20 years ago all things had to be perfect for that to happen.
5088 and BR 780 autowrap.
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Sprunk
Posted 7/29/2018 14:30 (#6899619 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SE ND		Why not just turn the pressure up on the baler to compensate for driving faster instead of leaving it low and driving slow? Seems silly to bale at 3.5mph if you could be driving 8mph and just adjusting the baler accordingly?
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MX 170
Posted 7/29/2018 17:42 (#6899966 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Kansas		10 if ground conditions allow.

Pickup attachment won’t keep up at 12.5

Mx 200 with jd 568
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richard240
Posted 7/30/2018 00:10 (#6900757 - in reply to #6899966)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


jackson county WI		Bingo! A pick up head will only go so fast. I can bale 10 mph. Over 11-12 pick up head won't keep up. This is on a 569
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Jdel
Posted 7/29/2018 20:34 (#6900336 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Wheelersburg and Lancaster, Ohio		4-6 mph. JD 4320 pulling 567. My fields aren't smooth enough to go faster and rake driver can't keep up anyway. Most of my fields are so steep I have to be careful where I drop a bale also. I like 5 thgear so I can shift to reverse easier. Some fields 4th gear is as fast as is safe.
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starvation
Posted 7/29/2018 21:11 (#6900448 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


mn		all this mph, bales/per/hr ect, no one talks about whats left on the ground. I only have a 4 bar pickup on a cih 563 and dad has a 5 bar pickup on a 564. I see lots of guys running fast/hard and, and I bet I could go out when they leave and bale afew more bales, just say'n anyone/everyone can drive fast but, what left behind ya ? I know I told ya we have 2 cih baler's so the johnny green pants of the world will say that's the problem and they get it all.
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garvo
Posted 7/30/2018 06:28 (#6900862 - in reply to #6900448)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


western iowa,by Denison
starvation - 7/29/2018 21:11

all this mph, bales/per/hr ect, no one talks about whats left on the ground. I only have a 4 bar pickup on a cih 563 and dad has a 5 bar pickup on a 564. I see lots of guys running fast/hard and, and I bet I could go out when they leave and bale afew more bales, just say'n anyone/everyone can drive fast but, what left behind ya ? I know I told ya we have 2 cih baler's so the johnny green pants of the world will say that's the problem and they get it all.

usually a good rake job will enhance the baler speed-setting the rake so that it lays better -A good rake job makes a poor baler look great!
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1850EP
Posted 7/30/2018 15:03 (#6901712 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


West central Mo, in the promise land		JD 568 with a JD 7410 in front I run 4.5 or less depending on how rough it is. Dad owns the tractor and baler so I better take care of it if I want something to inherent, after reading this post I don't believe I want to purchase a used baler. We mow with two 9' disc mowers and the rake brings in almost 3 of those 9' swaths. It seems like mowing is the slower than bailing and there hasn't been much rain to have to beat. I need to add we still use twine.



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JPT
Posted 7/30/2018 16:17 (#6901800 - in reply to #6901712)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


Snore......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Just kidding, you run as fast as terrain allows for maximum efficiency. If the terrain is rough you run slow and vice versa. You're not jumping plow furrows at 10 mph.
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jcolli140
Posted 7/31/2018 06:04 (#6902901 - in reply to #6898579)
Subject: RE: Round baling MPH?


SC Wisconsin		My baler tractor has an 8 speed gear trans, no power shift. I usually just run in 4 low (a little over 5 mph) making baleage or heavy straw or first cutting hay. Run in 1 hi (6.5 mph) on lighter stuff. Have ran in 2 hi (9.5 mph) just to see if the baler would take it on heavy straw but fields are usually too rough for that. In my experience, slower makes for heavier bales.
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