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2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues
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Brooks Farmer
Posted 4/26/2018 09:23 (#6731385)
Subject: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


Brooks, MN
I've been lurking on this forum for some time and finally signed up. I'd wanted to sign up before to ask this question below, but I never did.

I've been working on an issue with this tractor since we got it a few years ago. The AutoPilot will at random sense a manual override of the steering wheel and disengage. We've talked to the dealer and no one really seems to know what to do. I've done a lot of research and found some suggestions, but I just find it odd that this isn't a bigger issue with more people. There is a sensitivity setting, but that seems to have no effect on this model of tractor. I've been told to downgrade the firmware on the AP, which I've tried several versions and none worked any better than the others. One version, I recall mentioned an issue like this but that didn't fix it either. We've used an FmX (FM1000) display originally and now use an EZ-Guide 500. Neither seem to have any effect. I've tried to plug in some different vehicle profiles (I'm using the CIHAG MG 225 CVT T4.vdb - Version 11.2) to see if one from another tractor might work. The best "fix" would be if the manual override sensitivity would work. I found that if I ran the AP Toolbox that I could manually plug in a value that was way out of range (potentially dangerous), but even that had no effect. You barely turn the wheel and it kicks out.

That led me to the magnet ring and the encoder/sensor. We tried tightening the magnet and just generally cleaning the whole thing. We ended up replacing both pieces and that still did not solve this issue. We put a felt ring around the wheel to try to insulate it from any mild disturbance. That seemed somewhat promising, but didn't really work any better. I decided that I was going to strip the wires on the encoder and see if I could tell what happened when the wheel turned. I thought maybe I could put in a resistor or do something to de-sensitize this thing. I found that it had to be hooked up or it would give an error and not work at all - which is what I expected. I wasn't really sure what to try.

Finally, I had an idea to try to desensitize the magnet by shimming the encoder. Basically just inserting some electric tape strips when I tighten the encoder to create a slightly larger space between the magnet ring and the encoder. NOTE: The encoder has a little black rubber strip in this location from the factory, I was just making it a little thicker. Too much space and it doesn't work at all, however the AP does still function it just has no manual override whatsoever. With my laptop hooked up monitoring the manual override (on/off) in the AP Toolbox I was able to find a sweet spot. We haven't started seeding just yet, so I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like this is going to resolve the issue. I've run it in the field and it's working well so far.

Has anyone else had this much trouble with these tractors? If so, did you find a simpler solution that worked for you? If not, maybe my workaround fix will help someone. Thanks for reading this and I'd appreciate any feedback.
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Buster 50
Posted 4/26/2018 11:18 (#6731534 - in reply to #6731385)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues



North West IA/western AZ
Welcome to the forum Chris. I read your thread and it sounds like you know how to fix things and will be a great asset.
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Brooks Farmer
Posted 4/26/2018 12:00 (#6731580 - in reply to #6731534)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


Brooks, MN
Thank you. Hopefully my workaround will work out. My Dad is threatening to put an EZ Steer on there and I just can't fathom going backwards. I'm not knocking the EZ Steer at all, but I love the AutoPilot and it's not in my DNA to quit. All of these Magnums must use the same system for manual override and we just can't see how this hasn't been something that would affect a lot more people.
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bnobles
Posted 4/27/2018 10:21 (#6733052 - in reply to #6731580)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues



Qulin, MO
I don’t have any experience using anything but a Pro700 in ours but I do know there are some differences between the small frame and large frame Magnums. It’s feasible that they would have a different system than the bigger Magnums but I don’t know that for sure.
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Farmer Dilbert
Posted 4/26/2018 12:25 (#6731615 - in reply to #6731385)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


SE Nebraska

I have the same tractor with an FM1000.  I thought there was a pressure sensor for the Autopilot override.

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Trimble Man
Posted 4/26/2018 16:25 (#6731847 - in reply to #6731385)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


It isn’t looking for a strong or week signal from the encoder. It counts how many pulses it sees before it disengages. If you use tap parameter qorv, you will see how many pulses this is set to. Increase what ever it is set to by 2 and see how you go. Pretty sure it should be around 3 or 5.
Not 100% sure, but I think the later vdb files had this change. I would recommend upgrading firmware and vdb files, but that may cause issues since you are still using an EzGuide 500 with it.
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Brooks Farmer
Posted 4/30/2018 09:19 (#6737371 - in reply to #6731847)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


Brooks, MN
Trimble Man,

Thanks for the information. I'm currently running version 11 of the Auto Pilot (AP) firmware. You'll read that you have to run AP firmware 5.xx in order to use an EZ Guide 500 monitor. I've found that to be false. In fact, I run an EZ Guide 500 in a Steiger 385 with an AP. If you run version 5.xx of the firmware I was getting an error. The exact error, I don't remember but it had something to do with a pulse or heartbeat signal and the older documentation described splicing a wire at the harness to make it work. I found that by running version 11 of the firmware on the AP that it resolved the issue. I believe that I've tried version 13.00 of the firmware as well. We've had these EZ Guide 500's for quite some time and they work well for what we're doing so we continue to use them.

Anyway, I checked my backup file and I don't have a setting for "qorv". I'm assuming that means that it doesn't exist in AP firmware 11 with vehicle profile version 11.2. I searched through the vehicle profiles and I can't find that setting in any of them. Unless it's something that is just simply added, I must need to update. What is the latest version or what version do you think I should try to get?

Finding the Trimble software is not easy. I've found some links and some attachments lurking here. Is there a place to download this and regularly check for updates that I haven't found? If someone would attach some newer firmware and vehicle profile files, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks everybody for taking the time to read this.
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PULLED PORK
Posted 5/1/2018 13:26 (#6739154 - in reply to #6731385)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


Have your local dealer raise the override value a little. it has to be done through the AP toolbox program. do not raise it very much or the tractor will not disengage.
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Brooks Farmer
Posted 5/1/2018 14:10 (#6739197 - in reply to #6739154)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


Brooks, MN
I have the AP Toolbox program and a laptop. I've got several versions of firmware, vehicle profiles, the flash loader, etc... I got it from various threads on here a couple years ago. I've gotten quite a bit of practice using it too over the past couple of years. I know how to change the value as I tried to fix this with the "ORV" setting, but like I mentioned, this tractor apparently doesn't use that setting (The manual override sensitivity adjustment). Tweaking this settings is no big deal to me as I know how to do it, I know from where I started and I have backups as well. It seems that before I can tweak anything, I'll need a slightly newer firmware though as the "QORV" setting mentioned doesn't seem to exist in my version.

I don't have a lot of faith in the dealers for this type of thing. I'd rather do it myself. I'm sure there are dealers that are amazing at this stuff, but I don't think that's the case here with the Trimble stuff. This forum was the best resource I've found for figuring out which cables I needed and such.

Obviously Trimble wants a guy to go through the dealer or they'd publish this stuff on their website. If anyone knows a great place to get this stuff, please post a link or PM/DM me.

These are the only links I have anymore that work. They've got some downloads that are pretty useful.

http://www.triangleag.com/support_page.shtml
http://www.gpsontario.ca/firmware.html

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PULLED PORK
Posted 5/1/2018 17:11 (#6739377 - in reply to #6739197)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


Does it disengage when you stroke the remotes?
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Brooks Farmer
Posted 5/1/2018 17:27 (#6739394 - in reply to #6739377)
Subject: RE: 2011 Case IH Magnum 225 CVT - AutoPilot Manual Override Issues


Brooks, MN
I'm not sure, but I don't think that has any effect on it. In my Steiger, the remotes don't effect the AP. I guess I can't think that I've tried it.
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