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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 19:38 (#6633783)
Subject: implement storage / open sided buildings?



Looking at putting up a new pole barn that will be used for implement storage only. For those of you that have open sided buildings for implement storage, how do you like them compared to an enclosed building? Would you do it over again or would go with an enclosed building?

1. How far apart can the columns be spaced on the open side, we are thinking 20 - 24', is that doable?

2. How deep is your building, can you park multiple implements back to back?

3. Any problems with birds nesting in the rafters, or did you put some type of netting between the joists?

4. Was there much of a cost savings compared to an enclosed building of similar size?

%. Pics if you have them or sites on the 'net where we could look at some plans?

TIA,
boog

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4WD
Posted 3/10/2018 19:42 (#6633795 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Between Omaha and Des Moines, 7 miles South of I80

Hopefully, Dave9110 will chime in.

 

Here's an older thread:

https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=493749&mid=4010425#M4010425

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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 20:09 (#6633858 - in reply to #6633795)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



Thanks, that helps , I see at least one building in that thread has 24' openings.
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1000 moline
Posted 3/10/2018 20:12 (#6633861 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


South Eastern ,ILL		We have a 48' W x 80' L open to the east. I wish it was 60' deep though.
It has a 13' , 2- 20's & a 27' openings. It works fine for us. Birds
were a big issue for the first few years so we installed plastic bird
netting , one inch squares on the bottom of the trusses. Now birds don't
even go in the building. Roof pearling are flush with the trusses which was nice. I built this in 1988 it was 11,500$ I imagine today it would be
40K or more. We keep things we use constantly in it such as backhoe,
dump truck, utility tractor & 4020 loader tractor. No doors make it
Convenient. * our 27' opening has a basement truss to help support the roof load for the opening.

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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 20:18 (#6633876 - in reply to #6633861)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



Do you park equipment 1 deep or 2 deep? We're thinking either 60 x 120 x18 or 72 x 120 x18. Thinking with 72' we could park narrower, less used equipment in the back & still have room for the larger, more used equipment in front.
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red1962
Posted 3/10/2018 20:31 (#6633898 - in reply to #6633876)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


west central indiana		might go ahead and put up door track when building in case you want doors later.
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Dave9110
Posted 3/10/2018 20:31 (#6633895 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



north-central Indiana west of Fulton		In 2013 we built a 60 x 120 X 20 (17' under header) that faces east. It has double 6x6 posts, with a 2x12 nailed front and rear, to form the columns on the open side.....30' center to center. I covered that with flat steel trim to protect and trim out when builder was done. Local independent pole builders did building. They put fillers in between the nailers above the truss so birds don't build nests, but they roost on rafters and of course they can roost on equipment. We are really thinking of putting a ceiling in to keep birds from landing on rafters. Don't know if netting is a possibility .We only have tractors in there in the spring and summer when hooked to implements because we have enough other storage for everything when unhooked out of season. In season we can pull several things inside hooked up which is something we can't do with other storage. That way everything gets under roof in season too. I like the fact there is very little wasted space. Didn't price totally enclosed so can't compare.....this is what we wanted.



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Matt neoh
Posted 3/11/2018 07:04 (#6634297 - in reply to #6633895)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Dave I have a 50 by 100 and I have birds out the ass got mad and put tin io the ceiling help a little but still have trouble with them landing on the wall purlands the get up under the lights on the tractors a leave there mark on the windows. The love the steering wheel on the 3020 they think it’s an outhouse
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scassell
Posted 3/10/2018 20:38 (#6633918 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


South Central Wi.		The wider you go the bigger the header needs to be and you need to have the side walls so much higher to get under it. I looked at an open sided building at 60 feet and the headers would have cost as much as totally in closing it so that is what I did.
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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 21:25 (#6634036 - in reply to #6633918)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



scassell - 3/10/2018 20:38

The wider you go the bigger the header needs to be and you need to have the side walls so much higher to get under it. I looked at an open sided building at 60 feet and the headers would have cost as much as totally in closing it so that is what I did.


Thanks, that was what we were thinking but wasn't sure. Have't gotten amy bids but planned on getting for similiar sized open & enclosed buildings.
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MJE
Posted 3/10/2018 20:40 (#6633923 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


SE Wisconsin		We have a 54x120 Morton building with one side open, It has 4, 30 foot openings. It is handy but there wasn't much money saved by building it that way. Birds are a problem and a lot of time when its windy and snowing it can have snow all the way to the back of it. I wouldn't build another one.
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Chad H
Posted 3/10/2018 21:03 (#6633972 - in reply to #6633923)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


NE SD		I think one would be great for parking implements and semi trailers in. We tend to swap trailers a fair bit from April-June and intend on eventually having a couple more types of trailers. I'd agree a person wouldn't save much on the basic ability, but to have enough overhead doors to even get 2/3 as much accessibility would add a lot of cost.
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rancher2
Posted 3/10/2018 21:04 (#6633977 - in reply to #6633923)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Eastern Nebraska
MJE - 3/10/2018 20:40

We have a 54x120 Morton building with one side open, It has 4, 30 foot openings. It is handy but there wasn't much money saved by building it that way. Birds are a problem and a lot of time when its windy and snowing it can have snow all the way to the back of it. I wouldn't build another one.


We bought a farm that had a open machine storage shed on it 30 years ago. It faced west which was the worst for sun and snow. After fighting the birds, snow and the sun fading equipment we put doors on the shed.
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Chad H
Posted 3/10/2018 21:09 (#6633994 - in reply to #6633977)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


NE SD
rancher2 - 3/10/2018 21:04

MJE - 3/10/2018 20:40

We have a 54x120 Morton building with one side open, It has 4, 30 foot openings. It is handy but there wasn't much money saved by building it that way. Birds are a problem and a lot of time when its windy and snowing it can have snow all the way to the back of it. I wouldn't build another one.



We bought a farm that had a open machine storage shed on it 30 years ago. It faced west which was the worst for sun and snow. After fighting the birds, snow and the sun fading equipment we put doors on the shed.


One facing west here would end up in a pile. Not a matter of if, but when. We have a commodity she'd on its 4th build to prove it.
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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 21:20 (#6634024 - in reply to #6633994)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



Wouldn't last very long here either. Plus, snow would be so deep it probably wouldn't melt till late May. Have one shed with an overhead door on the west & that's bad enough.
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E718
Posted 3/10/2018 20:59 (#6633962 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Sac & Story county IA		Aren't you stopping at 3rd base? Make doors and you are done.

My informal survey while driving is that doors with motors on them get closed. Manual doors stand open.
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ac45
Posted 3/10/2018 21:05 (#6633979 - in reply to #6633962)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Bingo. You boys up north are too sophisticated to have an open sided shed like us more southern hill jacks lol. I grew up with open sided sheds and lean to's. No more for me. Birds carpenter bees and everyone can see your stuff. Kinda like a woman sitting down and not cossing her legs.
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commissioner
Posted 3/10/2018 21:16 (#6634012 - in reply to #6633962)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



southern Illinois		I would have to agree with put the doors on. We had a storm/tornado here a few years ago that blew my big door off. It was open for a couple months and the birds took over and coated everything, nested everywhere. Here anyway I want doors. I replaced the 30 ft door with hydraulic and wish I had done that when I built it. JMO
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mcnaull82buckeye
Posted 3/10/2018 21:07 (#6633989 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Depending on your dimensions we just put up a 60’ wide x 64’ deep implement shed up with a 60’ opening in the gable end. No posts to work around which is very nice and makes good use of all the space and most stuff doesn’t get buried to deep.

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DDDMO41
Posted 3/11/2018 13:28 (#6635130 - in reply to #6633989)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Dawn Mo 64638		I like my 72' wide 45' deep open to the East with grain bin wind breaks only have 1 row of movable equipment with small stuff in back
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farmerbk
Posted 3/10/2018 21:34 (#6634056 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: Boog, have you considered


Seymour, IL		steel column buildings?

all the ones I have been around are at least 20 feet between columns, so you don't have to contend with the expensive headers.
not a big problem to put steel on one or two walls to keep out of primary sun
When I worked in Puerto Rico, it was common to have an open sided steel column building for machinery storage. Worked well, and was economical
I have contemplated one for having keeping soil finisher, chisel plow, etc. out of the weather.

bryon
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dkclaassen
Posted 3/10/2018 22:07 (#6634135 - in reply to #6634056)
Subject: RE: Boog, have you considered


ECKS		Insurance companies don’t like open buildings. Expect higher premiums.
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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 22:19 (#6634152 - in reply to #6634135)
Subject: RE: Boog, have you considered



Hadn't thought about that, will have to give my agent a call Monday.
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olivetroad
Posted 3/10/2018 22:47 (#6634182 - in reply to #6634135)
Subject: RE: Boog, have you considered


Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251
dkclaassen - 3/10/2018 22:07

Insurance companies don’t like open buildings. Expect higher premiums.


My insurance was cheaper - agent said no doors helped, and total insured value is less.
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olivetroad
Posted 3/10/2018 22:43 (#6634174 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251		We put up a building open to the south last year. This year we are in the process of adding another building next to it, plus another bay in between the two, tieing them together. Cheap, cheap storage.

We park multiple things back to back, or just one of longer things. The steel building doesn't have near the bird nesting room as a wood truss does.



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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 22:47 (#6634183 - in reply to #6634174)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



Who is the manufacturer?
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olivetroad
Posted 3/11/2018 16:22 (#6635456 - in reply to #6634183)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251
boog - 3/10/2018 22:47

Who is the manufacturer?



Hi Byron -

I honestly don't know - the builder is a neighbor that puts these up all over the place. The steel building was about $5,000.00 less than a wooden one the same size.
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dri
Posted 3/11/2018 12:55 (#6635056 - in reply to #6634174)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Central Mo

Just curious,   why do you back the hopper bottom in the barn and leave the truck out in the weather and sun?

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olivetroad
Posted 3/11/2018 13:09 (#6635091 - in reply to #6635056)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251
dri - 3/11/2018 12:55

Just curious,   why do you back the hopper bottom in the barn and leave the truck out in the weather and sun?



Hi Dave -

the truck is actually unhooked - it was in the way by the shop, and I just stuck it there to have it out of the way. It has a new home under roof in the new part of the building.

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oldbones
Posted 3/11/2018 07:08 (#6634301 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



Floyd County, Iowa		Most of your questions have been answered above by others, but I'll chime in, too.
In my "former life", I sold farm, commercial, and residential buildings.
Currently, I have a building that used to hold feeder/fat cattle, 60' x 60' x 13' and was built in the mid 1980's. It's half open on one end.

#1- The columns on an eave side wall can be as far apart as you want, but the wider you go, the taller the header will need to be, cutting down the height of the opening.

#2- Yes, I park my 12 row planter, 27' DMI field cultivator, tandem disk, combine heads (on carts), continuous flow dryer (in the off-season), disc ripper, rotary hoe, bat wing mower, and some smaller stuff in it.
It does require some planning, keeping the seasonal stuff in the front Twice a year I shuffle the stuff front to back and back to front.
PITA, but at least it's under roof.

#3- Oh yeah. Robins and barn swallows are the most frequent invaders. I allow those to live there, but I have put used steel roofing on top of the bottom rafter chords to help keep the "paint" off the equipment.
And the occasional pigeon (but I shoot those filthy beasts as soon as I see one hanging around).
I used to have quite a few wasps building nests in/on the equipment closest to the opening, but since I had swallows start moving in seasonally, the wasps have disappeared there.

#4- Sidewalls are cheap to cover. The cost of covering the sidewalls would be much cheaper than all the headers. But you'll have doors that need to be opened and closed.
I have been planning to put sliding doors on my open building, but haven't gotten to it yet. Being open, besides the birds and "bugs", leaves, snow, and dirt blow in and have to be cleaned out periodically.

There's my 2 cents
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ksfarmboy1960
Posted 3/11/2018 14:42 (#6635270 - in reply to #6634301)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?



66524		Boog
I built a 200 x 68 metal shed 37 years ago with east side open Since then ,the east side has been closed except for 75'.It has 14' sidewalls which was a mistake.Seemed right at the time when an 20 ' disc was big for me. It had a 22' door in both ends.
It works great for cold storage for machinery. I built in a sloped area or i would have had a drive thru the 68' way. 5 years ago I built a 85'wide by 75' deep 19' sidewalls and a partition down the center making two 42'x 75' areas. One is cold storage with gravel floor and other is insulated heated and a/c shop.
I used (2) 42'x16' hanger doors that will allow about 14' or 15' ( high ) by 42' combine with header to pull in.
I went all steel as it was cheaper than pole construction. Too be fair the pole barn would have had a 19' metall ceiling with R-30 insulation and the metal building has the typical 3" vinyl between the purlins and beams..
Just my experience at the time. O and also my 200x68 bldg has colums on 25' centers
Good luck
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JLynn
Posted 3/11/2018 08:37 (#6634460 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


NW VA

50x120 open side here, with 24' openings.  We are shuffling things around, in and out most of the year, much nicer with plenty of access.  

It's nice to pull the combine in with a 20' cornhead on, but we didn't quite make it high enough, so the bin auger has to fold down.

Bird netting, or some kind of ceiling is a must.

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Millhouse
Posted 3/11/2018 12:47 (#6635030 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


South-central Nebraska		40x100 open front here with two 25 ft openings. We strategically pack it with equipment using a skid steer and front hitch attachment. Definitely go wider than 40 ft. Big debris stays out as air pressure keeps from blowing n. But all equipment gets a pretty good amount of dust/dirt on it. Bird crap and nests are a problem in the building and on equipment. Never another open front building for me.
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atuck
Posted 3/11/2018 13:49 (#6635166 - in reply to #6633783)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


WC IN		I will never build an open sided building ever again. All they are is a GIANT bird house. I wish I could get all the time back that I have spent digging birdnest's out of engine compartments and cleaning crap off seats and steering wheels. Had A neighbor that had a tractor catch on fire because a bird built a nest on top of the exhaust manifold.
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Millhouse
Posted 3/11/2018 15:11 (#6635322 - in reply to #6635166)
Subject: RE: implement storage / open sided buildings?


South-central Nebraska		I'm afraid the day is coming for a fire here as well. Birds, squirrels and mice have all built nests in and on equipment.
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