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Lucewhl
Posted 3/10/2018 16:25 (#6633408)
Subject: Perma-column cost


Ne Iowa		How much do perma-columns cost. Need to replace a couple bad posts in a pole building. Are there any tricks to getting the broken post out of the ground?
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DBindiana
Posted 3/10/2018 17:00 (#6633460 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost


West Central Indiana		On ours the post was rotted off at the ground only and rest of the post looked new. So dug beside the old post with a hand post hole digger and then put new post ( 4' in ground & 4' above) beside the old post and bolted it all in. It worked really well and was easy to do. Figured the first posts lasted 50 years going back that way should be good for another 50.
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AJACRES
Posted 3/10/2018 17:16 (#6633489 - in reply to #6633460)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost


SW Wisconsin		I'm thinking the new posts are not treated with creosote and will probably be lucky to last half as long.
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JohnW
Posted 3/10/2018 17:39 (#6633549 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost


NW Washington		Ask them or one of their agents. https://www.permacolumn.com/get-info
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nebfarmer
Posted 3/10/2018 17:56 (#6633578 - in reply to #6633549)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost


SE Nebraska, Near Misery and Cans Ass!		It's not fancy but for me the easiest and cheapest way to replace a rotted off post is to dig out the rotten with the old hand jabbered post hole digger fill the hole up with concrete stick some rebar in it and a couple of pieces of flat iron on both sides of the post where it's still good bolt it to it wait for it to dry and you are done. Help the neighbor fix his and all he wanted to do is dig down to where there was good post and that really wasn't very far fill the void with dry Sakrete with a couple of pieces of rebar stuck in it and again flat iron to the side of the good post bolted down dump some water on it covered it with dirt and called it good. scrape the dirt off of them later and they were hard as a rock. That's been 25 years ago in the shed still standing.
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deeretech14
Posted 3/10/2018 18:00 (#6633584 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



SW Ohio		Talked to them at NFMS, they said about $100/post. Also said they have a different size available if you have concrete floor.
Had a friend that built a new building and he said by the time you bought the perma column and then were able to buy shorter posts the added cost was minimal.
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Jason Hinson
Posted 3/10/2018 18:14 (#6633610 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



Kingston, Iowa		We did our whole barn a couple years ago. We bought just the brackets from Perma Column. We made two cuts with a chain saw in the pole and knocked the chunk out so we could lift straight up. A little digging and the poles would wiggle out. We then put the Perma Column Brackets in place after trimming the bottom of the pole up square. I made a couple forms that screwed to the skirt boards and then we filled the hole with concrete. We did two holes at a time, that way we didn't have to worry about having too much of the building unsecured at anyone time. I bought bagged concrete and we used a little three point mixer.
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Mitchco
Posted 3/10/2018 19:54 (#6633821 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost


SW OH		Make your own. Just a little concrete and steel. We took down a barn and moved it home raising it 3 feet with homemade perma columns.

We have also raised an 8 foot barn to 12 feet and replaced the bottom of the posts in the process. To pull the rotten posts we screwed long lag bolts into rotten post bottom and pulled them out.

Mitchco



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Hay Hud Ohio
Posted 3/11/2018 08:26 (#6634432 - in reply to #6633821)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



SW Ohio		Was more like four feet, you made the perma piers 52" long.
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boog
Posted 3/10/2018 20:02 (#6633846 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



We did what you're wanting to do about 10 years ago on a pole barn that the posts were all practically rotted off underground. We started in the middle on one side. First made a post out of 2x8s with the center 2x8 cut shorter to fit around the joist. Put a 30T hyd jack under the post & jacked up on the truss back away from the column about 6-8' to take pressure off the existing column. Then using a 3pt post hole digger we dug down as close as possible in front of the column till the hole was as deep as the column. Then using a transit we jacked the truss up till the building was slightly higher that the highest corner of the building. Next measured & cut the old post off so that the perma-column could be slipped underneath. Bolted the brackets of the perma-a-column to the old post & using concrete pads, shimmed underneath the perm-a-column so that when the jack was lowered the truss was level with the highest corner. Went around the whole building doing that. We raised the lowest corner 4", now the building is lvel again, probably more level than when it was built.

As posted, there are different size perm-a-columns, depending on the size of your posts. On our building the door post were larger than the other posts. IIRC, the door posts were 6x8s & the other posts were 6x6s. Bigger perm-a-olumns were $65 & the smaller were $50 but as I said that was several years ago. We put up a new building in 2012, used 8x8 perm-a-columns. At that time they were around $100, but worth every penny IMO. I wouldn't build another pole barn without them.
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DixieDeere
Posted 3/10/2018 22:06 (#6634132 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



Jackson County, AL

A 2955 with 265 loader has pulled the last two 6x6 posts out simply with a chain wrapped around them.  I'd be interested to see how you made your homemade perma-column.

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Mitchco
Posted 3/26/2018 18:01 (#6667117 - in reply to #6634132)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost


SW OH		I made form out of plywood. Bolted together in opposing corners. Every day when I got home from work I would remove yesterday's, and pour a new one. The form is 48" tall, 8" square on the top, and 9" square on the bottom. A piece of 3/16" of plate 5 1/2" by 16" with a piece of rebar welded to it that loops down near the bottom was set into each one. I must have made 40 of them and have a few extras.

The posts were carefully cut 6" deep with a chain saw then driven onto the plate by another perma colum hanging from a loader by a long chain. 3 3/8" bolts go through each plate. The rotation of the posts alternate. This barn was 14' tall when we took it down. It's now 17.

Mitchco

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deeretech14
Posted 3/27/2018 07:13 (#6668127 - in reply to #6667117)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



SW Ohio		I like that setup Garrett, If I wind up doing something here might have to steal the idea. I'm guessing you just used sakrete since you did them one by one?
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Hay Hud Ohio
Posted 3/27/2018 09:55 (#6668434 - in reply to #6668127)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



SW Ohio		Nope, he used a shovel and the small mixer, gravel and bagged cement, and a five gallon bucket, old school........
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KWinWCIL
Posted 3/11/2018 09:25 (#6634574 - in reply to #6633408)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost



Vermont, IL		About half my 6X6 posts on my Morton building were rotted, some a lot worse than others. Morton dug along side the bad posts, cut them off at ground level and pulled the bottom out sideways. Then bolted steel brackets on both sides and poured the hole full of concrete. They did every other post at once and then came back and did the remaining posts. Looks like the easiest way to do it rather than wrestling around a pre formed column. They did this at their cost as it was still under warrantee after 36 years. A lot of people on here are down on Morton, but they've done right by me.
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RGliden
Posted 3/11/2018 15:07 (#6635314 - in reply to #6634574)
Subject: RE: Perma-column cost


NW TN, Dyersburg		KW, that's exactly how I replaced mine, following Morton's instructions. I bought the property from the daughter of the original owner of the building. If he (original owner) had gone to Morton about the rotted poles, they would have fixed them under warranty even though the building was built around 1980. But that coverage ended once it changed owners. Several local Morton buildings of that era had to have the poles replaced, not an easy job.
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