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Sjames2
Posted 11/5/2017 17:25 (#6347558)
Subject: Tr-87


Evening, found a TR-87. What advantages if any improvements were made on them? Did they still have bubble up auger problems? What hours are considered for it to be wore out. This has 2700 sep hours. If goin on looks honestly probably a 5 out of 10. Paint faded, cab in good shape new motor in 2015. I initally have my sights on IH 1460 to a 1680...want simplicity and ease of maintenace. Trs seem cheaper to buy tho.Thoughts and Thanks -Sam
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Josh in Pa
Posted 11/5/2017 17:44 (#6347615 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


s.e. Pa
New Holland is a good combine, under rated in my opinion. One major advantage to a case is aftermarket parts. New holland parts are expensive, and aftermarket is limited.
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Sjames2
Posted 11/5/2017 18:28 (#6347755 - in reply to #6347615)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


What exactly goes bad in the bubble up augers? I thought It was the gearboxes and lack of grease to them? Are the common parts interchangeable to upgrade say the gearbox and auger to a tr 99? Anyone know? Are they a six row machine in 180-200 bu corn? Do they have the cleaning area for that yeild range?
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German Shepherd
Posted 11/5/2017 19:10 (#6347868 - in reply to #6347755)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


What wears out first are the splines that go to the auger itself.   On the 99's they finally put a grease zerk there to help a little.   The flighting also wears heavily, even with hard surfacing.    The gear boxes themselves hold up fairly good if kept full of cornhead grease.   Parts from the 97-98 don't interchange with the 99 style.   The gear boxes are different, one style has 3 gears and one has 2, so the augers turn in the opposite direction.   The result is, when you upgrade you have to everything.  

The 87 should have no trouble with a 6 row head and 200 bu corn.   Worst case is you can't drive 5 mph.

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mmaddox
Posted 11/5/2017 20:12 (#6348048 - in reply to #6347868)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


A fair number of 97's and 98's were updated to the backwrap gearbox at little or no cost. When the auger turned the opposite direction, it allowed the grain to flow better and get the capacity up. This was more critical when double flighting and paddling to rest of the clean grain system. Never saw the wear issue in flighting, but how many machines have hard surfacing? Another issue is trying to run corn in a non corn and soybeans mchine.
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WTW
Posted 11/5/2017 21:05 (#6348250 - in reply to #6347868)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


Winkler, Manitoba Canada
Sheep Herder - 11/5/2017 18:10

What wears out first are the splines that go to the auger itself.   On the 99's they finally put a grease zerk there to help a little.   The flighting also wears heavily, even with hard surfacing.    The gear boxes themselves hold up fairly good if kept full of cornhead grease.   Parts from the 97-98 don't interchange with the 99 style.   The gear boxes are different, one style has 3 gears and one has 2, so the augers turn in the opposite direction.   The result is, when you upgrade you have to everything.  

The 87 should have no trouble with a 6 row head and 200 bu corn.   Worst case is you can't drive 5 mph.



The updated bubbleup auger gearbox that became available on the TR98 series and was used on the TR99 could be retrofitted into all of the TR9X series combines that did not come with it. The TR8X series had a different system with the exception of the TR89 which came from the factory with the heavy drive box, as the TR89 is really a lower powered version of the TR99. I updated our TR96 to the heavy bubble up auger system. Was a major improvement.
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farmindog
Posted 11/5/2017 18:00 (#6347657 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


It will compare very well to a 1460. 1680 is a bigger machine. The bubble up augers do wear. I think they are available from A&I, although not as good as original. You can also make them yourself if you are willing to do it. The splined hub is available and the flighting and tube are common. The bubble up gearbox was a bit troublesome although there is an easy way to make it last a long time. On a high hour machine the rotor covers may be getting wore but you will have a similar issue with any high houred rotor machine.
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wire farms
Posted 11/5/2017 18:04 (#6347669 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


Nebraska
I would almost prefer the 87 over an 88, less electronics, we had to replace the actuator that engages the separator on our 98--don't remember exactly but thought it was like 5 or 6 hundred bucks. If I was you id look for a 97, bigger machine, can close down sieves and get an awesome clean sample but not dribble any out the back. Bubble up auger gear boxes were weak in the 86-88 but they aren't hard to pull off and fix but $$$$$$......

Lots of grease zerks but only about a dozen daily ones.

TR's are good combines but they have their own quirks, design was good but tough to work on, often have to remove multiple things just to get at and fix one thing. I got 3900/2800 hours on our 98, I just pulled the feeder house last week to replace top shaft bearing that went out and its definitely getting thin on the inside above the rotors and it was totally rebuilt inside at 1500 sep. hours. I'm gonna run it till theirs holes in it lol.
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German Shepherd
Posted 11/5/2017 18:05 (#6347677 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


I've a TR97 as well as a 99.   Bubble augers are a problem but it's better if upgraded to a TR99 auger.   My 97 has 3500 sep hours and is going strong.   I actually have to replace the whole bubble up auger before next season.   As said, parts are expensive at times but one thing I've found is a surprising amount of stuff fits from a TR85.    If you have a bone yard nearby that helps.   NH combines throw the cleanest grain sample I have ever seen and yet lose very little out the back.   Check the cross auger in the bottom of the hopper for wear, especially just before the elbow.   If the flighting is worn, it needs to be replaced and I think it's around $1200 just for the auger.

Overall, the TR's were good combines and vastly underappreciated.   I've said it for years that if the TR's were painted green and said JD on the side, every farmer would have two of them and they'd be proclaimed the greatest harvesting innovation in the last 100 years.

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NoTill1825
Posted 11/5/2017 19:27 (#6347919 - in reply to #6347677)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


NC Indiana
I agree with the above and will add look for homes in the grain pan above the front axle and check the wear of the rotor hoods where the tailings return to the rotors. Biggest issue for us we're the dealers around here wouldn't stock any parts for the TR 8*'s. We have an 85 in the weeds because no one wanted it when they were still making the 88/98's.
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gee-haw
Posted 11/5/2017 19:50 (#6347982 - in reply to #6347677)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


southern middle TN
Agreed. Cleanest grain sample I’ve seen from any combine that I’ve had any dealings with was from an old TR 85 and it was worn out. A newer machine should have a sample that can’t be matched by red, yellow, silver, or green. A buddy called it Two Roosters, said it didn’t leave enough corn behind to feed two roosters through the winter!
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mmaddox
Posted 11/5/2017 18:09 (#6347696 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


The condition, and parts, service, and support would be more important than the color. Bubble up was more of a problem on the bigger machine as they were run fuller, Every machine has its' weak and strong . After working on one today, I am reminded mice are color blind.
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dzluvr
Posted 11/5/2017 18:18 (#6347722 - in reply to #6347696)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


in my farming career have found new Holland to be the BEST combines out there especially in small grains the red ones and green one and silver ones leave the most grain on the ground in comparison and dirtiest samples so am proudly a new Holland combine man and always will be,,,,,,,,,,,,(have a lot of green tractors though )
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Tazzerblue
Posted 11/5/2017 18:36 (#6347776 - in reply to #6347722)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


SW MN
My first NH was a TR 87, learned alot about those. Mostly the narrow body could easily put grain out the back, they lacked sieve area. It was a Big up Grade going to a TR 98 you will come to love and hate the electronics on the 8 series. Yes the bubble up was a weak point. I also had issues with the header variable speed pulley. replaced it 2 times in less than 500 separator hrs. I was running a 6 row chopping head, 30ft flex head. The last time I drilled and tapped a zerk on the back side to grease that big bearing.. Good machines, ****ty factory tires.. I may have some service manuals laying around yet.
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Go farm
Posted 11/6/2017 07:50 (#6348748 - in reply to #6347776)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


central ND/SD border
Tazzerblue - 11/5/2017 18:36

I may have some service manuals laying around yet.


I would be interested in any service manuals you have laying around for a TR 98.
Sent you an email.
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Trint
Posted 11/5/2017 19:00 (#6347840 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87



North Central OH
Have had a tr86 & tr88, now a 2388. The red will win the simplicity battle and parts options, the new hollands were good machines. That size can out thrash its cleaning area as I recall, ran a 6row. Practically all parts were order in for us before we traded.
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WWT1370
Posted 11/5/2017 19:43 (#6347966 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87


First off, the bubble up auger gearbox on an 87 is completely different than a 96-99. on the 87 check for play, keep it greased and your good to go. as long as you don't run it loose for an extended period you can adjust it tight, and replace bearings and seals for little $$. i have an 86 and 87 the 87 has been a very reliable machine for the bushels it has harvested. They will wear out and break down just like any other, but i think your dollar goes a lot further when you buy a TR, Parts, that's a different story.
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Farms With CASE
Posted 11/6/2017 11:21 (#6349089 - in reply to #6347558)
Subject: RE: Tr-87



North Liberty and South Bend, Indiana
Disclaimer: we have a TR97 for sale.

I would get a wide body machine for the wide sieves. The auger gearboxes require maintaince and a hydraulic helper auger to last a very long time.
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