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Farmer 4 ever
Posted 6/25/2017 06:44 (#6088757)
Subject: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Quebec, Canada		Hi all! Need more space to store my machinery. Would like something that is easy to park in and out with machine still hitch on tractor. Would be mainly for my 2 planters, combine SP sprayer, tractors and some tillage equipment. Would like to park machinery there when done after the day and have quick access to take it out the next day.

I was thinking about 2 options. Either complete closed shed with 1 wide door at the end. Would need to be wide enough to keed a center alley. Was thinking would have to be at least 80' wide if not 100'. Could go steel structure, steel dome or tarp dome.

Other option would be all open on one side. Access would be great but wondering if protection would be as good. does it make enough shade to protect the paint from the sun? Do birds start nesting and **** on all the equipment? This project would probably be much cheaper as I wouldn't need to buy any doors and could go narrower since no alley needed. Was thinking about something 60 or 70' wide.

Thanks to share your ideas and experiences!!
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datyerdog?
Posted 6/25/2017 07:03 (#6088787 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?



The shed below is ours put up in 2011. It faces the south which makes it harder to keep things shaded. The overhang on the front helps.

Birds are difficult to keep out and they do crap all over the machinery......my neighbor has managed to keep his similar shed bird free, we have not.

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bobbyg
Posted 6/25/2017 19:45 (#6089886 - in reply to #6088787)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


EC IL		What does your neighbor do to battle birds
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datyerdog?
Posted 6/25/2017 20:54 (#6090050 - in reply to #6089886)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?



bobbyg - 6/25/2017 19:45

What does your neighbor do to battle birds


He keeps a shotgun in the corner of the shed and his employees keep the birds cleaned up......there isn't a nest or any poop anywhere.


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red1962
Posted 6/25/2017 07:13 (#6088797 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


west central indiana		birds always a problem even with doors if not kept shut. my last shed has doors offset on each end works great getting things in the corners and still able to drive threw it. added open leanto on one side that's handy
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swne
Posted 6/25/2017 07:14 (#6088799 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska		This is definitely one of those times that you get what you pay for. An open shed is going to be cheaper but what do you have? Birds, snow and rain blowing in underneath. Dust. You have shade and some protection from moisture but that is about it.
Go with a building with possibly peered sliding doors and have something useful.
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jdironman
Posted 6/25/2017 07:46 (#6088862 - in reply to #6088799)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Nw Iowa		Open shed where you didn't have snow or any theft problems looks like it would be economical. We have a 80' wide enclosed and we love it but we still have to move equip. Ours is 144 deep so we store non seasonal things in back 50 or 60' and have a 48' and a 24' door in south end. In the fall we can drive 4 or 5 semis in and close doors and everything is locked up but it was expensive. (7$ corn) I guess other concern would be storms, would want to talk to others in your area how 3 sided buildings hold up. The higher you go to accommodate large machinery the more lift you will have on your roof in a storm I would think.
Like your idea though, the easier it is to put something away, more likely it will get put under roof.
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IowaMark
Posted 6/25/2017 07:29 (#6088825 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?



NW Iowa. / SW Arizona		My dad built a small 24'x50' open shed to the east over 50 years ago, which worked good for those days equipment. I still use it for small stuff but no way would I replace it with the same style if it ever blew away. Your bigger one would accommodate the bigger equipment of today's farming but where you live you will still have snow,birds and etc. to contend with. I guess it depends on how fussy you are, if you don't mind contending with more of Mother Natures elements thrown at you with the open shed go that route, would definitely be cheaper.
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John EIA
Posted 6/25/2017 07:41 (#6088850 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


A few years ago we built an 81' x 100' shed with a 20' overhead door on one side and a 30' sliding door on the otherside. Our spring machinery is stored in one end of the building and our harvest machinery is stored on the other end. The alleyway is generally open enough to drive through. We also built an open shed on the east end without door to drive the semis in and out. I would do it all the same if we had to do it over again.

John EIA
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wffoker
Posted 6/25/2017 08:24 (#6088920 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Ohio City Ohio		Going through same thought process here. I know we don't use the very limited barn space we do have if we think we.might need equipment within couple weeks. Let alone park in it every night. Which I would like to work towards.
My thoughts is build it in convenient location and make it as easy to use as possible. Offset backing semi into a building at night by steering wheel holder is going to turn into one big frustration. Because won't be parked inside or equipment gets hit often.

So I'm thinking a Shed with one open sidewall facing east with good size overhang and something like 28-30 ft bays 60 ft deep or so should work good for us. Might need to make 80 ft deep if you have 53 ft trailers.
And than look into a shade/wind break curtain possibly to close up open side with inclement weather or low use
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E718
Posted 6/25/2017 08:29 (#6088928 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Sac & Story county IA		Aren't you stopping at 3rd base without doors? I battle rats, raccoons, groundhogs constantly. If you would get rats in a modern combine, it would never be reliable again.
In my windshield survey, if a building has an electric powered door, it gets closed. If manual, it stands open.
With some 1/8 inch wall rectangular tubing, large doors aren't expensive.
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jdbob8100
Posted 6/25/2017 08:52 (#6088971 - in reply to #6088928)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


ND		Saw a shed in the past with sliding doors in the middle at both ends, it was about 150' long & 70 to 80' wide. You could back equip up along the sides with the hitches facing the alley, & in the spring-summer-fall you can drive the equip in at night & out the next morning that your using.
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Newguy
Posted 6/25/2017 08:46 (#6088958 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Renville Minnesota		We have both.

Implements/ trailers go in open building. Back in and unhook .



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olivetroad
Posted 6/25/2017 09:46 (#6089045 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Kingdom of Callaway - Fulton, Mo 65251

Every location has different weather, equipment types, etc, etc.

For us, the best thing has been open sided sheds. We built one two years ago that is 35 feet deep, and 240 feet long. I got quotes from the builder on a closed building, and then I asked how many additional feet of storage I could gain with having it open on one side, and no door expense.  It was pretty eye opening.  So we made it less deep, but a lot longer, and now you don't have to move anything to get what you want out.

We are building another one right now that is 45 feet deep, and 96 feet long.  We needed the extra 10ft of depth for the air drill, planter, motor home, and so we could leave a Versy and scraper hooked up under roof.  It is open to the south and ALSO the East, so we can add another 96 feet onto the building when the pocketbook allows.  The piers are waiting for the steel to show up this week.





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fpr2006
Posted 6/25/2017 10:29 (#6089124 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


SW Minnesota		Besides wildlife (I've had coons, possum, all kinds of birds even deer in my bigger machine shed in the years I couldn't close the doors} doors cut down on dust. The best thing would be to have a shed for each season if you don't like moving equipment. I seem to have enough doors that I can keep what I need for the season in front by the doors. I can get everything move in the off season. Moving in the off season is an extra chance to find low or flat tires,weak batteries and other repairs that should be done at slow times.
Over on the Cafe they are talking about EMPs. I am not a Prepper but I have read that a steel shed with no windows over 25 sq feet works as a Faraday cage. So there is a bonus for you if you are into that.
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tjdno1
Posted 6/25/2017 11:25 (#6089201 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Cartwright, McKenzie County, North Dakota, USA		Last year I had a 60wx50dx18h open front building erected. I opted to leave the south end open in order to be able to get equipment under cover. I plan in the future to put the south wall with a bifold door. The open end is a gable end so there is 60' of clear entry. Yes there are issues doing this that are addressed here. I found it the way to get into a structure by doing it in stages. I have not seen any issue with wind yet. The builder added extra bracing to help keep the structure straight. It is a post frame from Goodon Industries.
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Indrtfmr
Posted 6/25/2017 11:36 (#6089219 - in reply to #6089201)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


NW in.		My farms are 15 miles apart so I leave the machinery out at night when we are farming away from the shed. you have to either build one shed centrally located or small sheds spread out.
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TD15
Posted 6/25/2017 11:38 (#6089226 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


I didn't read all the replies but my next shed will be "coon tight" those animals can cause more damage than what the extra building materials are over the life span of the building.
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WildBuckwheat
Posted 6/25/2017 12:07 (#6089265 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Middlesex County, Ontario		64'x120' shed built 3 years ago.

30' overhead door in one end.
32' sliding door in other end. Doors slide on inside of barn.
Man door in each end.
The foundation under the doors comes up a couple inches over grade. There's a broom at each end of the shed. We occasionally sweep the concrete clean.

Let me talk about our other shed for a second. Its a similar size but has only a sliding door at one end, and the door slides outside of the barn over gravel. It can be a bear to open because gravel moves around. The door doesn't seal perfect when snow is blowing. Sliding doors slides on the outside of the barn means you have to shovel snow out of the way to make room for the door when there is more than a couple inches of snow. The door can freeze to the gravel. We really really like the sliding door on the new shed. The sliding door on our new shed is so much better. Sliding on the inside of the barn means no more shoveling snow out of the way. The concrete under the door means the height never changes and the door always seals perfectly. The concrete being a couple inches over grade means it drains and doesn't freeze itself shut. The minor downside is that can't hang things on the wall for storage and you have to occasionally sweep the concrete clean.


We park equipment along each wall for storage. One side has tillage equipment, the other side has 2 lines of gravity wagons. We try to use the center as quick access. The sprayer, tender wagons, tractors stay in the center alley. You could park two trucks beside each other in the center alley. I try to only park stuff that is hitched up or stuff that can move under its own power in the center alley and I try to use the overhead door end as much as possible.

I put in 10x 120w incandescant bulbs. They look like a standard incandescant bulb but are about 10" long. Lights up the shed very nicely. We also put up bird netting. I've never seen a bird in that shed. Also put bird netting in our older shed after we found out how great it works. We used crushed ashphalt millings for the floor which makes a pretty nice floor. It might get dusty as time goes on and dirt on tires gets tracked in.

I think its a really nice shed. We didn't cheap out but we also didn't go all out with multiple overhead doors on both ends and a concrete floor. We're happy with it.

Definitely get doors on both ends. If you don't, one end will become a dead zone. Some equipment is hard to back in, especially at night. If you want a centre alley then doors on both sides are a must in my mind.

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WildBuckwheat
Posted 6/25/2017 12:18 (#6089283 - in reply to #6089265)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Middlesex County, Ontario		Here are some pics. I guess I should mention that we only use this shed for equipment. Our older shed has a lot of the clutter causing stuff like chemical, skidsteer attachments, small 3pt stuff, lumber, etc.



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KDD
Posted 6/25/2017 13:18 (#6089364 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?



Leesburg, Ohio		We have several cold storage sheds, most with sliding doors. The one I like the best, and gets the most use, is an open-ended 60 x 90 x 17 pole building. The south gable end is open, so that is a 60' wide clear span opening. We had trouble with birds, but added an all-steel ceiling and eliminated all the overhead nesting/perches, so no more bird crap. Planters and side dress applicator get parked across the back when we are done in the spring. The front is open for whatever we are doing at the time. We can pull the combine and grain cart in during harvest, sprayer or tillage equipment, or loaded planters in the spring.

We added enclosed truck bays with 24x16' overhead doors onto the main shop, so we can back all the semis into a heated building.

We keep our harvest equipment at another farm in a 48 x 72 x 14 with sliders on one end and one side. Also had bird problems there, so did the steel ceiling liner there, too.

Landlord has an all steel 60x150 with a 20' slider on one end and one side. Worst bird problem we have anywhere. Only use it for tillage equipment, and stacked straw bales. Would be more useful if it was open on one side, and the birds could not possibly be any worse. Lots of space, but can't get to anything without moving three or four other items.

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rambo
Posted 6/25/2017 14:32 (#6089435 - in reply to #6089364)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?



Remsen, Iowa

KDD - 6/25/2017 13:18 We have several cold storage sheds, most with sliding doors. The one I like the best, and gets the most use, is an open-ended 60 x 90 x 17 pole building. The south gable end is open, so that is a 60' wide clear span opening. We had trouble with birds, but added an all-steel ceiling and eliminated all the overhead nesting/perches, so no more bird crap. Planters and side dress applicator get parked across the back when we are done in the spring. The front is open for whatever we are doing at the time. We can pull the combine and grain cart in during harvest, sprayer or tillage equipment, or loaded planters in the spring. We added enclosed truck bays with 24x16' overhead doors onto the main shop, so we can back all the semis into a heated building. We keep our harvest equipment at another farm in a 48 x 72 x 14 with sliders on one end and one side. Also had bird problems there, so did the steel ceiling liner there, too. Landlord has an all steel 60x150 with a 20' slider on one end and one side. Worst bird problem we have anywhere. Only use it for tillage equipment, and stacked straw bales. Would be more useful if it was open on one side, and the birds could not possibly be any worse. Lots of space, but can't get to anything without moving three or four other items.



What keeps the birds from sitting on your machinery, since the rafters are no longer available, and crapping from that position?


I have a hoop building that I now use as storage. The birds learned to sit on the machinery and poop.

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KDD
Posted 6/25/2017 21:23 (#6090134 - in reply to #6089435)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?



Leesburg, Ohio		Nothing.

Has not been too bad, but yes, it does happen. Much less of a problem without the rafters exposed, tho.
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Millhouse
Posted 6/25/2017 13:52 (#6089389 - in reply to #6088757)
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South-central Nebraska		My open front machine shed is like an aviary. Birds, bird crap, nests and dust on everything. Its better than nothing but at the time was a cheap option that I had no say in.
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SFO
Posted 6/25/2017 15:05 (#6089463 - in reply to #6088757)
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Findlay, Ohio

I wouldn't have a machine shed that was not totally inclosed.

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TA1070
Posted 6/25/2017 16:20 (#6089573 - in reply to #6089463)
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Farmland, IN		+1
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thorfarms
Posted 6/25/2017 17:14 (#6089640 - in reply to #6089573)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Lincoln, North Dakota		Why only build 3/4 of a building
Only closed sheds
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Farmer 4 ever
Posted 6/25/2017 19:24 (#6089847 - in reply to #6089640)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


Quebec, Canada		Really nice to hear from all your experience! Nice building Wildbuckheat. thanks for sharing good ideas and picts. I have to say I'm leaning towards a closed building. Still have many things to figure out though. not sure about dimensions yet. Tired of storing things in 4 different location + heating shop is too small so would like to heat the whole building that is now 1/3 heated and 2/3 cold storage.

I guess wide buildings are more expensive but it is a lot easier to lengthen a building than getting it larger so that will probably play in my dimension decisions...
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bobbyg
Posted 6/25/2017 19:42 (#6089875 - in reply to #6088757)
Subject: RE: open or closed cold machinery shed?


EC IL		Here sparrows would come from far and wide. And ruin everything. I wouldn't build anything open sided
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ahay68979
Posted 6/25/2017 21:04 (#6090086 - in reply to #6089875)
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Saronville NE		Here I'd love to have a open side shed, be great for things like manure spreader, rake, stock trailer, small squares of hay or straw etc. I have a cold storage now that door stays open yr round except if calling for blizzard or extreme cold. When you drive in and out several times a day gets old closing and opening doors.
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