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WPFarm
Posted 2/3/2017 10:43 (#5813933)
Subject: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


SE MN
We have one of the original Top Dry Autoflow systems, pre-Series 2000, 1995 vintage. From the day it was installed, we have had nothing but problems with it. If it runs more than 10 hrs without shutting off for some reason, it is a miracle. We have replaced all of the wiring from control panel to burners/bin, Numerous control boards, countless fenwall boards, piles of flame sensors and crates full of start capacitors. We've eliminated all of the GE contactors/overloads, done away with the soft starts in the motors. This fall I spent more time "sleeping" in the dryer shack than I did in my bed. I can't even begin to put a price on the downtime it has cost us not to mention the exponential increase in whiskey consumption during the fall as a result. Needless to say I'm more than fed up.

I like the idea of reclaiming the heat from the grain below and am happy with the grain quality. While extra drying capacity would be nice, it's not a necessity at this point. We could bridge the gap right now by increasing our wet storage and adding a wet leg.

So here's where I'm at:

Upgrade controls on current Top Dry - $23,000
Upgrade to Neco Mixed flow - $130,000 (+400 bu/hr)

Both options would require a new wet leg and additional wet storage.

Here's my question. Does anyone have any experience with the new Autoflow controls for the Top Dry? Are they reliable or are they "tweeky" to operate?

Any input would be appreciated.





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Caleb1456
Posted 2/3/2017 10:52 (#5813952 - in reply to #5813933)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Magnolia, KY
Mike, give me a call tomorrow afternoon if it's convenient and I'll tell you my experience. I put in the new autoflow controls with the watchdog system this year. (270) 5three7-4one44.
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Goat_herder
Posted 2/3/2017 12:22 (#5814190 - in reply to #5813952)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


You are not alone the network controls are crap we hate ours with a passion. Anyone wants a good used one with autoflow?
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WPFarm
Posted 2/3/2017 12:32 (#5814222 - in reply to #5814190)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


SE MN
Goat, what are your main problems with your setup?
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Homestead
Posted 2/3/2017 18:49 (#5814821 - in reply to #5813933)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Iowa
Keep it long enough and it will burn. Make your falls peaceful and buy a grainhandler. Best addition ever to our grain handling system!!!
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70'JDplowboy
Posted 2/3/2017 20:22 (#5815026 - in reply to #5813933)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Richardson county Nebraska
Caleb you say you updated, interested in what all you updated. Saw you listed # I may call and pick your brain. I have 2 older(85-87) story more see dry bins one 24' other 30. Both are batch units. I would like to make the 30 a continuous flow with auto controls. I get no help fro mfs dealer or reps when I inquire, thinking of contacting a gsi dealer. Just like all things all beat down your door to build new, no where to be found to work on used.
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Caleb1456
Posted 2/4/2017 20:02 (#5817181 - in reply to #5815026)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Magnolia, KY
Feel free to call.
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whiswillfarm
Posted 10/16/2020 06:52 (#8548278 - in reply to #5815026)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


EC Indiana
I was just looking around for some advice on a flame sensor that is giving me some fits, and stumbled on this old thread. I have a PLC setup for a stormor that I would make you a good deal on. I put it in new in 2018 and took it out in 2019 because I moved my dryer controls into my computer with all the other facility controls. Long story but it worked perfectly. If you haven't already done something let me know.

Here is the listing
https://talk.newagtalk.com/classifieds/Classified.aspx?id=141657

Also, the dealer I bought it new from and I have since teamed up and I can get you whatever AGI parts/support you may need.
765-FIVEfourSIX-0340
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ontario bob
Posted 2/4/2017 08:19 (#5815653 - in reply to #5813933)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Stratford Ontario Canada
I have a ten year old 30' GSI batch dryer that I upgraded to auto flow this year- best money you can spend! Grain dries more evenly and much more efficient since the dryer never shuts off and cools down- we gained almost 50% drying capacity. Never had any issues -it ran all nite without having to go out and fill every few hours! nice to be able to sleep all nite and have an empty wet bin in the morning
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Luke Skywalker
Posted 2/4/2017 11:17 (#5816083 - in reply to #5813933)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Arva, Ontario

We have a 30' Top Dry erected in '11 with AutoFlow right from the start. It was erected by a GSI franchise that has installed well over 120 TopDry's, and they know their stuff. They have done a few modifications to the chutes so they dump quickly without plugging (corn batch dumps in 4 seconds) but requires changes to the winch motor from 24V DC to a 120V AC system.

We couldn't be happier. Low capital cost upfront for a dryer that does ~1000/hr at 10 points, closer to 1500 at 5. You need good infrastructure feeding it or you'll be dumping so often you may have to turn your temperature down. Our fed by a 4K/hr inclined drag that barely keeps up when moistures drop to 19 or less.

We have to tweak our target dump temps a little mainly based on input moistures, but we keep good notes from previous years now and that has helped with the initial set point.

We routinely leave our system at 9-10pm at night, return at 5-6am in morning to an empty wet tank and a cooled bottom chamber. Empty chamber down to inverted cone, and start dryer once we have wet corn coming in. System not manned during day, truck driver (usually me) has a look at panel while doing moistures and filling out scale ticket.

In 6 years, we have replaced 2 flame sensors. One of them was likely because we got a little careless 'adjusting' it...   Never cleaned a screen in-season - the big whoosh as the grain moves with the big chutes seems to scrub them.

Here's the crux of the situation. If you have a dealer that really wants these things to work, they will. If you have a dealer that really wanted to sell a tower dryer, but grudgingly put up a TopDry, kick them in the stones and get them to make it work. For the initial outlay, the drying performance they give, the lack of electrical energy consumed (1000/hr@ 10 pts on 37.5 HP for ours vs a tower that will need 60+ HP) plus full heat reclamation and being able to move cool grain into long term storage, they are a great value.

Edit:  I re-read your post. I've got to wonder if you have voltage issues or something on your incoming power with the problems you've had. Are you on the end of a line or a source that is stretched for capacity. I'm fortunate - we're on 3PH and a line that has relatively low use, so power 'quality' is consistent. Problem is, we're in Ontario, so we can't afford it @ about US$17 cents/kWh...

Ken



Edited by Luke Skywalker 2/4/2017 11:26
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WPFarm
Posted 2/4/2017 11:52 (#5816132 - in reply to #5816083)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


SE MN
Ken-

I've suspected stray voltage for years. We are the only load on that line. At times we are touching our 600 amp capacity. To top it off, we have a phase converter for our 3 phase needs and the wild leg does some goofy stuff some times.

I can get 3 phase in the yard for $25k and am seriously considering it.
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Luke Skywalker
Posted 2/4/2017 13:19 (#5816310 - in reply to #5816132)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Arva, Ontario

Don't know where you are in your career/family situation, but I'd seriously look at $25K to bring 3PH in. If you're bumping max on your 1PH service, you're going to have to upgrade it anyway, so put the upgrade $ towards the 3PH. Read the fine print and ask questions of your utility supplier first - min charges, demand charges, etc.

Having said that, I know of many, many TopDry's around me running on converters - some on rotary's, some on static/digital systems. I've never heard of the plethora of problems that you seem to have encountered. That's why I wondered about electricity 'quality', or voltage drop under load, yadda, yadda...

Mind sharing what state/province you're located in?

Ken

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WPFarm
Posted 2/4/2017 19:23 (#5817087 - in reply to #5816310)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


SE MN
Dodge county,MN. I believe most of our power is great River Energy
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Luke Skywalker
Posted 2/5/2017 11:48 (#5818312 - in reply to #5817087)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Arva, Ontario

Not sure whether your electrician or your dealer would be able to put a meter / monitor on your incoming power to try to see if it was power 'quality' that was creating these issues. I think I'd want that answer before I invested a chunk and changed systems over, only to find that a new continuous flow started having similar issues. Reason I suggest this is all of these issues you mention - motors, boards, sensors are all electrical, and I wonder if low voltage or a voltage surge is the culprit.

Also, your dealer makes a lot of difference. Have an acquaintance in your part of the world that asked his GSI dealer about an AutoFlow TopDry, based on our very good experience. His MN dealer only wanted to talk tower. My Ontario dealer www.horstsystems.com has erected a pile of TopDry's, and converted a bunch of the old ones to AutoFlow. I know of 2 fair sized commercial elevators here (~1M bu capacity) that have 2 TopDry AutoFlows for their drying system because they are inexpensive to build relative to capacity, easy on electrical consumption, full heat recovery, superior grain quality, and send cooled corn to storage.

In short, I guess I'd try to diagnose what the root issue is with yours before you spent money, altered infrastructure, create an inferior grain quality, and had electrically induced problems again.

The 3PH service might get you a long way there...?

Ken

email in profile is good.

 

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NY Grainman
Posted 2/26/2017 16:12 (#5864806 - in reply to #5813933)
Subject: RE: Anyone Have a New GSI Top Dry w/Autoflow


Hello!
The problem you are describing is extremely common. The issue is that somewhere there is hi voltage AC running near or next to low voltage DC two common areas.
1 the auto flow control gets its control power from the master burner. There is 6-7 wires that run from the master to the control two of them are to be shielded, ground the shield on one end only.
2. Bindicators in roof Run separate conduit for hi and low voltage.
3. Loss of flame. It is imparitive that each burner has its on earth ground as close to each burner as possible #6 bare copper the flame sensing works threw this ground.
There is no reason a top dry shouldn't perform wonderful for you. With that said, the new control is wonderful as well. If you have questions ask I will help if I can. The facility pictured is a auto-batch top dry facility. 36' 12r with a 21k bu. Wet bin.

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